BMW 135i: Thoughts?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Berzerklo, Jul 17, 2007.

  1. Berzerklo

    Berzerklo Active Member

    The BMW 1 Series is officially coming to the US:
    http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-1-series.html

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    Like most of the new Bimmers, I am not 100% sold on Chris Bangle's designs... too much of a departure from the solid conservative designs of previous models. BUT the idea of having the 335i twin turbo 3.0L I6 in a car smaller than the 3 series gives me half a stock. I have heard tuners are starting to get good numbers from the twin turbo motor, but I kinda want to see how long the motor last pushing 400 lb/ft.

    Could be my next car... (in like 5 years...):)
     
  2. SonicBoom

    SonicBoom Active Member

    Meh... I'd save up for the M3, then I'd change my mind and buy a Z06.. not to keen on the newer designs either..
     
  3. miloman

    miloman Retired Admin

    I have not done much research on it but one BMWCCA road racer here in TX have told me that he has seen multiple 335i's on road courses that have have quit mid session due to over heating issues :dunno
     
  4. Meredith

    Meredith Banned

    two thoughts..... heavy and no LSD..... not my cup of tea
     
  5. Berzerklo

    Berzerklo Active Member

    3285 lbs... only 90lbs lighter than a 3 series?!?:squint:
     
  6. BelvnAWD

    BelvnAWD I'm Vin, Bell-Vin...

    I think that the platform has potential. It will all depend on ultimate price point...
     
  7. BrianGT

    BrianGT Banned

    I see it as a luxury car, decent look, but not something I would want to abuse on a track.

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  8. AtlxPat

    AtlxPat Active Member

    yea i heard of 335i heating issues but i've also heard that they have been resolved
    as for the 135i....i want it, it should be in the low 30's in guessing?
    but that thing can be a beast, its either that or e46 m3 for me later on
     
  9. nsvwrx

    nsvwrx Active Member

    uhhmore like upper 30s since itll be competing with the g37
     
  10. Berzerklo

    Berzerklo Active Member

    I think the only reason i like these cars is the motor... the mechanical engineer in me loves a straight six (esp with two turbos), and no one else is really making them much anymore.

    Sad:wtc:
     
  11. Meredith

    Meredith Banned

    i just don't understand why they would give the car so much power but no LSD to put it down.... it's all to keep it significantly slower than the m series cars .... kinda lame
     
  12. Berzerklo

    Berzerklo Active Member

    What? I love doing one wheeled burnouts of fury! ...And going slow through corners...
     
  13. FACE

    FACE Active Member

    I read that they are having oil temp problems...no oil coolers
     
  14. Berzerklo

    Berzerklo Active Member

    You would think BMW would think about this shit. I know the twin turbo direct injection motor has some cool features. I heard they made the water pump an electrical pump with a thermostat so it only recirculates after the engine warms up (to get the engine warmed up faster for better emissions and engine wear). They also put the alternator on a clutch like the AC compressor, so it disengages under heavy throttle. All good ideas in my opinion. Only Germans would think of that shit but forget an oil cooler. :rofl:
     
  15. baddriver

    baddriver Active Member

    It would be great if BMW really decides to make a car that is small and nimble and affordable like the 2002 and the E30 3 series. If the car's only 90 pounds lighter it's not the throwback that BMW claims it is.

    As for the styling I have never been a fan of the shark look.

    I had and loved driving my old '85 325e, although it wasn't a power monster.
     
  16. AtlxPat

    AtlxPat Active Member

    has anyone heard that bmw has removed the dipstick from all their cars except for the M series
    idk if thats true but if it is...why? to make more money?
     
  17. SubiNoobi

    SubiNoobi Supporting Member

    BMW drivers check their own oil?
     
  18. nsvwrx

    nsvwrx Active Member

    i check =(
     
  19. Deke

    Deke Active Member

    I think it's sexy :)

    But does apparently have it's drawbacks.
     
  20. Sparta

    Sparta Active Member

    I don't think anybody is making the I6 twin turbo's anymore. Even Nissan is switching to a V motor for this baby....

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  21. AtlxPat

    AtlxPat Active Member

    are there any other cars that are in/going to be in production that are TT besides 135i/335i and the gtr?
     
  22. socrates42

    socrates42 Member

    i want a 120d!
     
  23. JJang12

    JJang12 Active Member

    Starting from 03/07 productions, 335i w/ Sport package comes with oil cooler installed, which has eliminated most of oil over heating. Also BMW uses DSC (Dynamic Stability Control) to control the wheel spins (which is not good as LSD) during launching and cornering.

    I like the idea of 135i, but if it's smaller than 335i, it might be TOO small for many people
     
  24. longfury

    longfury Active Member

    Reports from Europe have said its quite roomy.
     
  25. miloman

    miloman Retired Admin

    Actually what impresses me more is direct injection.

    Also can anyone enlighten me on the real benefit of running small identical twin turbos on an inline motor instead of a big single? Logically, I would think that the V motors would benefit from identical twins due to the reduced plumbing compared to a big single. A big single on an inline motor should reduce the plumbing requirements compared to identical twins.
     
  26. Demo24

    Demo24 Member

    a) its not a track car, stop comparing it to ones that are. geez

    b)bmw is still with the I6's. They don't make a v6

    c)its not competing with the g37, that is the 335I's job

    D) milo, look at the torque curve. torque starts at 1400rpm(so you have practically full torque that low), and remains there in basicially a flat line up to red line. Kind of diesel like. With one turbo you'd yes get that fun kick, but also the lag we are all accustomed to.


    I'd buy it. Good size(for me), plenty of power, and it weighs about the same as my car I'm driving now.
     
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2007
  27. Weapon

    Weapon 90lbs of dynamite Supporting Member

    I like it but i would never buy one
     
  28. miloman

    miloman Retired Admin

    I can see how sequential turbos can give a broad torque curve, but aren't the two turbos in the 335i identical and running in parallel? if so they should function similar to a single big turbo. A lot of the power characteristics of the 335i could be attributed to direct injection, not the fact that there are 2 turbos. Now do the tuned 335i's have that flat a torque curve? I'll look for some plots but please post them up if you have any.
     
  29. Demo24

    Demo24 Member

  30. miloman

    miloman Retired Admin

    The torque is not very flat and has the taper that is expected from small turbos. It is also making numbers similar to chipped 335i's. So I doubt it is stock. I'll do some searching around too :)
     
  31. Trey

    Trey Active Member

    I perfer the 4-door hatch.....

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  32. Trey

    Trey Active Member

    Maybe the compressor wheels are different so one turbo is for low end power and the other is for top end power.....
     
  33. FTZ

    FTZ ^.^

    God how I hate hatchbacks. That thing is hideous.
     
  34. miloman

    miloman Retired Admin

  35. N2BNLOW

    N2BNLOW Member

    Look what was at the Ameristar Casino.

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  36. Weapon

    Weapon 90lbs of dynamite Supporting Member

    that hatch is hot!
     
  37. nsvwrx

    nsvwrx Active Member

    its competing with the g37 coupe as fas as ive read
     
  38. Trey

    Trey Active Member

    The coupe is puny looking, hopefully the sedan will look better. I agree though, the hatch wins hands down.
     
  39. Berzerklo

    Berzerklo Active Member

    I am just shooting from the hip here, but maybe it just has something to do with clearance... I would imagine an exhaust manifold for a straight six to a single turbo would be quite long. Maybe they did two identical turbos to make the manifolds smaller. Or to get better gas mileage?
     
  40. CHEMSOLDIER27

    CHEMSOLDIER27 Member

  41. Trey

    Trey Active Member

    That's where I stole the pics, :)
     
  42. Deke

    Deke Active Member

    That just looks like the Z4 coupe (M series...whatever it is) to me.
     
  43. Berzerklo

    Berzerklo Active Member

    Yeah I think that is the M Coupe too. Land Shark!
     
  44. Demo24

    Demo24 Member

    its not an m-coupe, thats just a z4


    milo- granted that dyno isn't terribly flat. Some show flatter, guess its all in what dyno is being used. Still full torque from pretty low would be nice.


    also I'm saying it again, the 1 series does NOT compete with the g37. That is the 3 series coupes job.
     
  45. longfury

    longfury Active Member

    The 1 series is a competitor with just about anything under $30K. It should do that quite nicely. I expect the 135 to be less than a STi or Evo. Not by a lot but still cheaper.
     
  46. nsvwrx

    nsvwrx Active Member

    you really expect it to be less? i expect this to run at least 35k
     
  47. Deke

    Deke Active Member

    Isn't that about what a 3 series runs?
     
  48. nsvwrx

    nsvwrx Active Member

    its got the 335s engine... which is going to be a prem
     
  49. nsvwrx

    nsvwrx Active Member

    a normal 3 runs like 40 and a 335 is about 45 .. dont expect to be under 35 at all
     
  50. miloman

    miloman Retired Admin

    I'd expect the 'flatness' of the plot to be unchanged from dyno to dyno. The shape of the curve would be more reflected by the turbos and the tune. Regardless, this car should be pretty fun to drive.

    Now, I wonder how difficult it would be to upgrade turbos
     

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