this maybe really dumb but..

Discussion in 'Modifications & DIY how-to' started by mokinbird87, Nov 28, 2007.

  1. mokinbird87

    mokinbird87 Active Member

    what are the major differences between the porsche's boxer engine and the subaru's? i know the intake sits different and the exhaust is shorter, but what are the things that make it so different? (hehe, i`ve been dreaming of owning a 997 turbo recently and wondered what really sets them apart, cuz after all, they both use the boxer layout.. but then again, lots of companies use inline-4, inline-6, v6 layout but they are different in some ways). just read a thread on subaru's engine not making enough power or something, and porsche's engine does, so i was just wondering. i guess the variable turbine geometry makes a big difference on the 911 turbo..
     
  2. mokinbird87

    mokinbird87 Active Member

    i want my torque curve to look like the 911 turbo's haha.
     
  3. slowwrx

    slowwrx Supporting Member

    The layout is fairly similar but the head design etc....are way diffrent. The ports are equal lengths ...its basically designed like an engine should be.
     
  4. BattleWagon

    BattleWagon Member

    many of them use individual cylinders, kinda like a V-Twin. It pretty cool. timing chain instead of belt, a lot of little things...
    Very, very good engines
     
  5. WJM

    WJM Banned

    if you turn the Porsche over backwards....prepare to pay for a new engine.

    SUBARU=still good after backwardsness.
     
  6. Weapon

    Weapon 90lbs of dynamite Supporting Member

    :confused: can you explain a little more. I am confused by this statement.
     
  7. WJM

    WJM Banned

    I've heard from many many people that if the Porsche engines (newer ones, dunno about the older ones) are physically rotated the OPPOSITE direction of its intended operational rotation it will grenade itself....specifically how, is unknown to me. I would imagine this happens when you swap ends on a track/street and dont get the clutch in fast enough.

    However, I have heard from the technician side that even rotating it backwards by hand will do bad things.
     
  8. Berzerklo

    Berzerklo Active Member

    I was crawling the internet and I found some article comparing a Porsche Carrera 4 to a 2002 WRX. Here a little history of why Subaru picked the boxer engine. Guess what? Its Porsche!
    http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/coupes/0103_carrera_4_impreza_wrx/compared.html

    Quote:
    There are numerous explanations for all these similarities, but none as substantial as the one offered by Mike Shields of noted Subaru tuner SPD Tuning Service. He says: "It is not an accident that only two car companies in the world have maintained long-standing engineering companies separate from their production and marketing organization. One is Porsche/Audi, and the other is Subaru. [There's also Lotus--Ed.] During the 1960s, the Japanese government made plans with the major keiretsu to understand the world's manufacturing leaders. At that time, Nissan engineers studied Germany, while Toyota sent engineers to England and Italy. Both generally dismissed American design aesthetics but paid very careful attention to American engines. If you put a 1968 Datsun 510 on a hoist, it looks exactly like a BMW 2002 but is about 300 pounds lighter. If you take apart its engine, it looks just like a period Mercedes-Benz powerplant, except for the kidney-shaped 327 fuelly Chevrolet combustion chamber and the optional close-ratio five-speed with Porsche synchros in it. This was around the time that Subaru was founded. These Nissan and Toyota engineers trained the Subaru engineers. This was also the time of Porsche's ascendancy to greatness, and, while the great Ferrari-Mercedes-Maserati, Mercedes-Jaguar, Lotus-Ferrari, and Ford-Ferrari battles captured the imagination of this first generation of Japanese engineers, it was the sheer technical mastery and dominance of Porsche that impressed the core Subaru engineering staff. They understood Porsche's message quite clearly. An Otto-cycle engine is a convenient hot-gas generator for a turbine-powered car. Invent the computer-controlled engine-management system, and the rest is history. The Subaru WRX engine is best thought of as two-thirds of a Porsche 956/962 engine."
     
  9. bluetwo

    bluetwo Active Member

    I like that. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Especially the part about it being a hot gas generator for a turbo powered car... that was almost poetic.... Lol.... it was beautiful.
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2007
  10. WJM

    WJM Banned

    Research the lawsuit/conflict between VW/Porsche and SUBARU on the EA63/71/81 engines.

    The OHV EA series SUBARU engines are nearly identical from an engineering stand point when compared to the VW/Porsche engines from the 60's and early 70's. The only major difference between the two is water cooling vs the VW/Porsche's air cooling.
     
  11. blindfold

    blindfold Active Member

    "Subaru WRX engine is best thought of as two-thirds of a Porsche 956/962 engine"

    two thirds of what? that article was hard to understand...
     
  12. Berzerklo

    Berzerklo Active Member

    A subaru engine is 2/3 of a Porsche 956/962 engine

    Its very similar design, but the Porsche has 6 cylinders and the Subie has 4.
     
  13. WJM

    WJM Banned

    Then whats an EG33D?

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    Whats an EZ30D?

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    Whats an EZ36D?

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  14. GTscoob

    GTscoob Black is Beautiful

    Then why dont subaru 6 cylinders make the power and torque numbers of Porsche powerplants?
     
  15. Berzerklo

    Berzerklo Active Member

    Probably because Porsche has the luxury of being able to have a more expensive engine that has more performance at the expense of reliability/fuel efficiency because that is what people expect/will pay for. Subaru just can't match that. Plus Porsche has variable vane turbos
     
  16. Berzerklo

    Berzerklo Active Member

    I know Subaru makes H6s. The article was comparing a 911 to a WRX... which has 4 cylinders.
     
  17. WJM

    WJM Banned

    Because they dont need to....they are not in that market.

    Remember the B11S?

    http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z6939/default.aspx

    400hp Twin Turbo H6.


    Porsche sells a shit ton of cars, in that particular market.

    SUBARU does not.

    Why? Different market. SUBARU has not make an effort for that market...yet.
     
  18. Weapon

    Weapon 90lbs of dynamite Supporting Member

    That thing gets uglier everytime I see it! I am glad it was only a concept.
     
  19. crashtke

    crashtke Member Supporting Member

    Personally I think it is pretty sexy! I would drive it!
     
  20. nsvwrx

    nsvwrx Active Member

    wow, i think it looks great!
     
  21. dontcallitarex

    dontcallitarex Active Member

    Yeah, I believe that subaru definitely does not compete in the same market as Porsche. A legacy outback is significantly different from a 189,000 TechArt 911 Turbo. They share an H6 layout, however.

    Can I ask why WJM always types SUBARU in all caps?
     
  22. WJM

    WJM Banned

    it looks better.

    SUBARU.


    FTW.
     
  23. miloman

    miloman Retired Admin

    Ever met WJM? He does everything in caps. He also poops in caps.
     
  24. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    LMAO! :rofl::rofl:
     
  25. WJM

    WJM Banned

    Caps lock is CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  26. mokinbird87

    mokinbird87 Active Member

    man, i always suspected that subaru layout is a copy of porsche's engines, but i didnt know that they were that close... thanks for the valuable info guys!
     

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