NEWS FLASH!!! Just got a call from Siegel who is down in Tampa right now tuning some cars at another shop. He is at S&R Performance and has informed me that he has just broke the all time Stock VF39 Stage 2 Sti record. 348hp 380tq:bowdown: Then again this was done on a "Land and Sea" dyno :keke: I am not surpised.
No wonder the Siegel wont return my text, so are you NOT going to be at TS tomorrow? I was bringing you goods
Maybe I should go to the dyno day at Orton or whatever so I can get a graph that show my 2.0 making 400wheel. :squint:
So I can go from 500 to 600 just by switching dynos? This has to be the cheapest way ever to pick up 100 hp :rofl:
Way to Go SS!!. I always knew that you had it in you. Are you coming up to VA anytime soon?. My friend Anthony with a blue bugeye from Pensacola,FL. just got tuned by you guys...great numbers!!. Mark
Don't know what the difference is between that one and the Land and Sea at Orton, but the dyno at Orton read lower than Battleground. How much lower I am not sure. I am sure it varied from car to car and was a percentage thing, but one that had been put on the dyno recently at Battleground at 350 hp rang in around 315 on this dyno. Another car that did 370 something at Topspeed was around 330 at Orton. A 08 WRX that was stage 1 measured 185 or around there. A stage 1 Sti did 240 hp. Some of the evo guys were a little disappointed that their cars read lower when compared to the numbers from Topspeed and Battleground.
Dyno battles FTL! Like I said they are tuning tools only. The local one here said I'm 400 hp.....yeah right :keke:
I asked the owner about that and they actually showed me how if you mess up just a single setting it can change the readings dramatically. As an example Deborah's dyno initially had the wrong settings...somehow the software did not update the new settings he put in to the run file and initially it showed 105 hp, lol. The settings were from the previous vehicle, a Trailblazer SS. He then changed the settings (weight, gear ratio, engine size, bore, stroke, etc) to the Legacy specs and it spat out 186 hp. It seems you have to have everything set up just perfect or the numbers will be off, like all dynos. The difference is there are only a handful of these in the country as the cost around $130,000 just for the dyno and then installation and everything else on top of that bringing the cost to around $160-170,000. Not too many people are familiar with them, but they seem to be a nice dyno if set up properly.
I would never trust a dyno that can be changed so much. finding hp is very simple, its the amount of time it takes to move a force a certain distance. Different engine sizes don't use differnt equations, just seems like smoke and mirrors to me.
Doug I have seen just about every dyno out there that can be changed significantly and skew the results. We all know this and I have personally seen it on dynojets like yours as well as machines from other manufacturers. Maybe the uneducated public does not know this, but I think most people who are into performance cars are well aware of it. Fact is that it did not read higher like you were reputing it to, but actually read lower than your dynojet. As was stated before, it is all just a tool and what really matters is not the numbers the dyno puts out, but the times. I understand that this is a potential competitor of yours in the industry, but (and I think most will agree) it is quite distasteful and unprofessional to try to bash this shop and their services. Let your results and your customer service speak for you and keep customers coming back.
In her specific case the RPM calculations for the engine were off as well as the final drive. They just needed to recalibrate the machine to her specific engine and transmission.
Woah woah woah chill out dude. I carefully re-read Doug's post and NEVER ONCE did he bash that shop. Scott tuned the car himself so that speaks enough. And about Orton's again Doug never bashed him. He just stated that he personally wouldn't trust a dyno that you have to 'calibrate' for every car that gets on it.
This whole thread is an attempt to discredit their dyno because he was mad that the meet was not held at Topspeed. Other comments made elsewhere: Then some more by Slowwrx that I am not going to bother looking for. Again, I think Topspeed has some excellent tuners and has put down solid results. Let that speak for itself to keep people coming back. No need to try to discredit another shop's services.
Again they are talking about the freaking dynos and not the shops work/tuning. I'm not going to argue so I'm going to drop it....
And the purpose was to discredit the dyno....they also said it read high when in fact it did not. When I say services, I mean their dyno services, not the shop's tuning. I never heard them say a bad thing about the tuning one way or the other. But, I'll drop it as well.
I'll end it like this......all dynos will read different PERIOD. Doesn't matter if it reads high or low. I can go to Topspeed right now and dyno 350 hp. Tomorrow I may dyno 360 hp. Basically what matters is your base pull is xxx hp and your final pull is xxx hp. Get a lot of gains? If so great job on tuning and new mods and be happy Group hug everyone?
The land and sea is a great tuning tool. It is an uncommon dyno which makes comparison's to other dynos difficult. The power readings are often based on a calculated rpm, which often induces error (this is not debatable, most operators use the stock in-dash tach to try and setup the rpm, the stock tach's are notoriously inaccurate and this error is held into the final power reading. Even if the operator uses a better tach, it's very time consuming to try to get the rpm readings exact.) As for this: "Doug I have seen just about every dyno out there that can be changed significantly and skew the results. We all know this and I have personally seen it on dynojets like yours as well as machines from other manufacturers. Maybe the uneducated public does not know this, but I think most people who are into performance cars are well aware of it." The only way that I know to change what a Dynojet says is to change the correction factor - Uncorrected, DIN, SAE, STD, etc and that correction factor gets printed right on the dyno plot. I normally explain what correction factor I'm using and why, so a Dynojet is quite hard to "skew" the numbers. This thread actually has nothing whatsoever to do with Orton. I was at S&R Performance down in Tampa. I posted in all the other threads about this particular car that I had somehow screwed up the "environment." I was just trying to turn the brakes on and something I clicked made it read high. Nothing the shop owner did could get it back to normal... This thread was about me setting a dyno record (which is of course meaningless). The fact that Coolrex's car makes 355 on our dynojet and over 400 on another Land and Sea was relevant and interesting. Crashtke, with comments like "This whole thread is an attempt to discredit their dyno because he was mad that the meet was not held at Topspeed." I feel like you have been a bit excessively hostile toward us lately, wassup? I can assure everybody that we're not "mad" about dyno days being held elsewhere. In both Doug and my experience, dyno days for an established shop bring in almost no additional business - unless they are worth doing in and of themselves, they're really not worth doing. The get-together portion is enjoyable for us, but not worth working our guys hard for a $$$ loss. How did my record thread end up about this anyway Siegel
Very good point bro...I remember when you had your sweet ride dyno'd a few years back and it was awesome.... Mark