Well an "addition" to the pickup. I fail to see how this works. I see it reinforces the area that cracks but the claim is also that if the stock pickup cracks, oil will still get to the motor. I don't see how the oil pressure isn't gonna drop a lot. Discuss. Disclaimer: I'm not selling jack.....I have Killerb and it'll never crack.
I didnt see this till just now. Who is making this and why? Is it cheaper than the killer b? I wouldn't trust it with my built motor. I guess for the cheap people this might sell well.
IXIZ. Cheaper but you keep the stock unit. It simply wraps around the stock unit. I think it's like $150.
Not much cheaper than the KillerB? I think I would pass on it. There are complete pickups for sale now for a little more that that.
Yeah, sorry but I would pass on it. Like the others have said, just more screws to back out into your oil pan. http://www.importimageracing.com/p/Covert-Performance-Oil-Pickup-WRX-STi-LGT-FXT.html $125 for a new pickup.
I see your point. I have the Killerb The main thing this thread is for is to discuss if this thing would even work as stated.
Interesting idea, but I would be afraid of "those" individuals over tightening the clamp too much causing even more stress on the pick up tube. Then again maybe even putting a small amount of pressure on the pick up tube could cause a premature failure. I personally just wouldn't want to squeeze the tube right around the known failure point. Maybe if it attached further up... err down on the tube I would feel better about things... maybe.
Yup I can already see it now... some Joe Mechanic in his back yard tightens the crud out the clamp without having the piece seated all the way on the flange. Then tightens the flange pulling the tube downward and it cracks.... Just way to much room for error in my opinion.
i hear all your concerns and its been addressed before this was even posted. what you see in pic is only half the function the main feature is not the clamping and if easy step by step instructions arent followed in the (like install screw set A first then screw set B and final mount device onto stock component) sequence of install then anything can go bad. 1. findout where the main failures are 2. fix the failure and prevent it 3. and if it in any case it still fails will design be able to recover and not cause major damage AsK? If any of the the aftermarket weld tube has a crack or failed will you have an issue ? If you send me a damage tube ill proof that the oil will still flow with the above design even if tube fails / or cracked
Pretty much. Its not so much of a pressure issue as it is an air leak. That high up there is no oil, but air surrounding the tube. If the device is not sealed to the tube at all contact points, if the tube breaks it will suck in air instead of oil and you will still have the failure. If your vehicle is still under warranty and the device is found, your warranty claim can and will be denied due to the presence of this device. The device will not work. It will likely cause more failures as it is stressing the tube more. All of the tubes break in the exact same manner in the exact same place. There is no question about that. There have been hundreds of these failures and all of the breakages match in pattern and location. Use a new tube, period.
^Exactly. The killerb just needs some small refinement for absolute perfect fitment every time and that will be the one to get. The moroso one looks like a hackjob. The reinforced stock ones are a waste of time/money/energy.
all good points the above is a prevention and a precaution - not a cure more options to the users are always better. all negatives are good points why does space frame use gussets at joints ? What causes the failure in these pick up tubes ?? Weld? material ? cantilever ? I can install the above collet in one hand - is that simple ?? maybe not its all relative. Simple is not quantifiable. Function is
Taking off an oil pan is such a messy PITA someone would have to be crazy to do this... It's a complete waste of time.
Cheaper than a motor 1. you have concerns or question bout the issue at hand 2. problem occurred and replacing engine 3. new engine built not so PITA after all is it ?
looks like it is trying to prevent relative motion between the pickup flange and the tube itself. if it can accomplish that, then it will do some good because that relative motion between the two components is what is leading to the joint failure
Next question...will it just move the failure point further down the shaft of the oil pickup beyond where this "brace" is fitted? I am just not sure exactly what is causing them to fail.
as pointed out the vibration and temperature cycling causes a weak area to be overstressed with time. there is a small load at the end of the tube (pickup/screen) that adds additional load. and as pointed out it always have similar failures at the same location. Although its a seamed tube "welded" to the flange - the tube can with stand quite a bit. For those that does welding will understand the failure a lot better and can see the issues clearly. There is no magic solution and any solution presented is better than none. Thats why the consumer makes the decision and the sales guy can BS all they want
Hmmm That doesn't seem like the best idea. kinda like pinching it off when you are peeing... It's only a temporary solution that isn't going to last.