Where to go to get my 5 speed built

Discussion in 'Modifications & DIY how-to' started by subarusti4life, Aug 29, 2010.

  1. Hey all

    I have a sti V3 Transmission --- Im trying to find someone who can upgrade it to handle upto 450-500 hp

    I dont intend on launching or beating it-


    If anyone knows where to go, or if you can do it, let me know price for the build including removal and installation

    debit card ready to go

    my final ratio is 4.44
     
  2. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    Andy@KillShot
     
  3. Figment

    Figment Member

    I approve this message.
     
  4. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    Same as above:)
     
  5. Matt

    Matt Think before you post Staff Member Supporting Member

    Yep
     
  6. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    As told by another, if you call M-Factory gears they'll tell you the same.
     
  7. AutoxSTi

    AutoxSTi Member

    Any ideas on price? Very interested b/c I know mine will need a few syncros changed out.
     
  8. Matt@Topspeed

    Matt@Topspeed Member

    If I was going to have one built I would send it to Andrewtech. I built my last one and it worked perfectly but I would never do it again.

    Pricing for a built tranny is way to close to the price for a 6 speed swap.
     
  9. Mike@TTR

    Mike@TTR Active Member

    Funny thing is M-factory is now making us a premier distributor and installation shop. I guess the transmissions that were built by some of the other shops had some issues, where as the ones that Andy built had zero issues. If you call them, they will tell you to look up Andy :)

    There are also some new M-Factory pro gears that are just out of testing. They are going to go for around $3200 for 1-4 and should rival the PPG gears. Andy has built both PPG transmissions as well as M-Factory transmissions and said that he actually preferred the craftsmanship of the M-Factory gears over the PPG gears.

    As for price on their street gears, the price is around $2500 for the gears. I would have to double check, but there are only 3 more sets available and they are switching to the pro-gears which are a little more heavy duty and have more of a drag ratio as opposed to the close ratio street sets they had previously.

    As Matt stated, you could probably get a used 6 speed and most of the components for the cost of building a 5 speed. But if you are interested in referrals, Kokopelli has had multiple different transmissions (for multiple different cars from Stock to PPG) built by Andy. Send him a PM and see what he thinks. But I really like the 5 speed ratios.
     
  10. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    Go 6 speed. If you are patient, you will find one cheap.
     
  11. Matt@Topspeed

    Matt@Topspeed Member

    Give me a call at the shop I can get you a brand new 6 speed for what you pay for most used setups.

    Matt
     
  12. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    I would do a 6 speed over ANY 5 speed for the price. Built 5 speeds are more expensive, no front LSD, no DCCD, and still in a crappy case.
     
  13. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    that's funny, I have a built 5-spd with a front LSD diff and paid way less than what a 6-spd swap would cost.
     
  14. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    Aren't you special. Was yours already built/used? That's the only exception.

    And yours is....dog box right? Heh rebuilds every 15K miles or so.
     
  15. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    pay to play
     
  16. motomark

    motomark Loudest fuel pump Tucker Supporting Member

    How many people have actually BROKEN an R160 rear diff at 300Whp? 400whp? 500whp?

    Just curious as it seems the R160 is pretty stout even if it's not as strong as the R180.

    A complete 6 speed swap INSTALLED has to be what?.. $4500 and that's if you got a firesale deal on the donor. Plus even if you find a donor it's still a buyer beware used tranny, right?

    I know the 6 speed is basically bullet proof TQ wise- just trying to convince myself a used 6 speed with no knowledge of how it was abused is "better" than a properly built PPG or Mfactory 5 speed.
     
  17. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    I've broken 2 R160 rear diffs on 2.0L and 350 hp. And the 6 speed BRAND spanking new for me and Rick was I believe $3700.
     
  18. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    Maybe.......what's your car doing right now? Must've not paid in full yet :hsnono:
     
  19. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    I was lucky with mine, the previous owner had a fresh rebuild done and the shop sent me pics of the case split and comparisons of the new and old synchro's and balk rings.
     
  20. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    Been out of work since Feb, guess you didn't "hear" about that, and have been steadily working on the car and truck almost every day. Unlike our resident broken muslim I not on the government dole to pay for parts either.
     
  21. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    Quoted for funny.
     
  22. Mike@TTR

    Mike@TTR Active Member

    Here is the deal. You can get a 5 speed built and installed for about the same as a used 6 speed swap. A new 6 speed swap, forget it. I do believe that the 6 speed is a better design, however the ratios are not the best for a lot of applications. If you want to drag race, the 6 speed is actually a bit of a liability in comparison to the 5 speed because if you have a fast car you are going to have to shift into 5th in order to finish the 1/4 mile.

    I chose to do a 6 speed swap in my personal car as I got the 6 speed (in pieces) for $1000 and should be able to get everything I need to get it rebuilt for around $500 in parts cost. If one were to find a deal like that and had Andy rebuild the 6 speed, you can come out cheaper than a built 5 speed. But also consider the labor to change out the ring and pinion or swap the rear hubs and differential. It all comes pretty close.

    But if you start with a $3700 transmission and then have to do axle, rear end (or swap the 160 R&P), hubs, pay labor to install all of those parts....you are looking at a good bit more than the built 5 speed. Is the 6 speed a better design? I think so, but at the same time, the gear ratios are not the best thing for all applications.

    I think it really comes down to what you are looking for.

    As for the R160 rear end...there are several people out there right now with 600+ AWHP that are still using the R160. It can be done if one is easier on the car. But then again there have been a couple members on here with stock 5 speeds that held 500+. But unless you are really easy on the car, things are going to start breaking.
     
  23. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    If you get an 06-07 6 speed all you need is the shifter linkage and an auto/sti driveshaft. Then it's a direct swap and cheaper than 5 speed.

    But that only pertains to the 02-05 WRX.
     
  24. Mike@TTR

    Mike@TTR Active Member

    Only if you use the R160 which you seem to think will blow up at 350 hp ;) And even then, we have gears currently that we could have installed in the car for around $3400 out the door which is cheaper than the cost alone of the 6 speed, not even COUNTING labor to get the 6 speed installed.

    I do admit though, there are only 3 more sets of these gears. After that the price will go up by around $800-$1000.
     
  25. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    Idiot I had R160 in my car at 530 hp and clocked 10.3. I never said they blow up at 350 hp. I said I blew 2 up at 350hp and 500+ drag passes.

    And still no Front LSD or DCCD control on the M Factory gears..........
     
  26. Mike@TTR

    Mike@TTR Active Member

    Idiot? Really? No need to resort to name calling.

    Seems like right here you said you broke 2 R160's at 350hp. Maybe I misunderstood?


    But you are correct in one thing, no front LSD or DCCD. Regardless I am not trying to get into an argument, just trying to get the information out there so the customers can make a more informed decision.
     
  27. b reel

    b reel Active Member

  28. Mike@TTR

    Mike@TTR Active Member

    That is the answer....but what is the question?
     
  29. nsvwrx

    nsvwrx Active Member

    everything.
     
  30. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    I got my 6-speed for $850 shipped to me. I had to get Andy to fix it but I came out in the $2k ballpark for my 6speed swap. If you are patient, you can find the deals.

    and Coolrex, there was no need to call Mike an idiot....take it easy man...not everyone is out to put you down like you always tend to believe.
     
  31. b reel

    b reel Active Member

  32. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    I was trying to say I've broken two at 350 hp not that 350 'will' break it.

    It was a figure of speech when I typed idiot. He misunderstood what I was trying to say but I didn't type it in well either......you idiot.

    Oh and I'm not a mod so yeah get pissy about that. :wiggle::wiggle::wiggle::rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2010
  33. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    Well since the 5 speed would be apart it's easy to add in LSD and the OBX is cheap and seems to be working well for Koko from what he told me.
     
  34. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    LOL, I think we all misunderstood because it reads you calling Mike an idiot to me. If someone called you an idiot for no good reason I would of done the same for you....now if it was a mod, forget about it:)
     
  35. Sparta

    Sparta Active Member

    i miss my Spec C 6 speed...
     
  36. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    Yeah I typed that totally wrong. Should've said you dummy with a smilie or something. :wiggle:
     
  37. Figment

    Figment Member

    Fixed for you.:wavey:with smilies:clap: Carry on!:eek3:
     
  38. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    Yeah yeah.....BORING.
     
  39. Weapon

    Weapon 90lbs of dynamite Supporting Member

    I thought you were going to migrate to an M3 forum :coolugh:
     
  40. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    he got banned on the first day, couldn't cough up a time slip
     
  41. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    You thought wrong.
     
  42. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    I don't bench race like most others....I do the real thing.
     
  43. Weapon

    Weapon 90lbs of dynamite Supporting Member

    lucky us... :cool:
     

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