http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/auto...2011/03/01/the-mitsubishi-evo-is-no-more.aspx but in all seriousness, this is bad news. Could this be the end of sports cars/combustion engine? no EVO means no STI competitor, which means why make an sti? or maybe a cheaper version, no need for brand names brembos or recaros etc
And? give me a diesel turbine-electric hybrid like the Jag concept and I wouldn't care about gas anymore
give me a million dollars and I wouldnt care either. not the point. They are doing away with an icon to pursue electric shit boxes...
Because they can't compete with normal cars so they have to go into a new market to actually sell anything.
if oil wasn't traded 200 times before the first person touched the barrel, we wouldn't have these outrageous fucking prices. It's absurd that they do shit like that.
For economic reasons Im guessing? lol There will be another solution. Theres plenty of combustable materials out there that can work.
hey at least we cut the education budget by $300million and voted to continue oil company subsidies (you know, because they don't have enough money)
Wow you people kill me. You can complain about how our government is run by communists and practically in the same breath complain about the free market and capitalism.
what do you mean....you people :squint: Gas prices would more than likely still be around $1.00 per gallon if barrels weren't traded so often and freely. None of this $3.80 per gallon bullshit
What Mitsubishi is doing is pretty smart...the automobile market is heading away from gas guzzling vehicles, they're just getting ahead of the trend. They don't compete in WRC with the Evo anymore, why continue on it's legacy? It's like Barry Sanders, retire on top...hopefully other automakers won't be the Brett Favre of the sport
Sort of OT here, but low gas prices are one of the main causes of the shit we're in now. People move 50 miles from work out into the burbs b/c gas is so cheap, it voids any reason for upgraded public transportation, it kills the environment faster and uses up the oil reserves as well
Interesting guy on NPR this morning ( I believe he was a Ford Motor Company board exec)... he said the government should have levied higher taxes on fuel a long time ago. Honestly there is really no excuse for not having more fuel efficient vehicles. Brian's Justy get's 35+ mpg and is 25 years old; 25 years ago we were listening to 8 tracks and now we have USB drives capable of holding 256GB of info... are we really supposed to believe that the 100's of billions in automotive development couldn't have found more significant breakthroughs by now with regard to better combustion technology? Example Hyundai pretty much came out of nowhere and they have a 274HP 2.0L motor that runs on 87 octane. A full size car that gets mid 30's mpg with performance to boot. What the hell is everybody else doing? And I still have not seen any reliable data on coal fired power plant electricity hydrocarbons used to say charge a Nissa Leaf every night vs a PZEV motor from any # of manufacturers. There is no consumer pressure to do so, so pre-recession everyone was buying Escapes/Sequoias/2.5 ton GVW monstrosities. That being said, I think I will be getting with Mike Sargent soon for an E85 tune very soon.
I thought it was for the "better school systems" (which is white people code for black people scare the shit out of me)
E85 does screw up corn prices to be sure...however, the actual cost of the raw corn in your corn flakes is probably less than 10% of the total production cost. i.e. the price of corn could double and if General Mills or Kellogg were playing fair (which of course they won't) the box would go from $3 box to $3.30 a box. That's with a 100% increase in price. Problem is every body in the supply chain wants a piece of the potential profit. Not sure why US has not converted to sugar beets for E85 production, but I'm willing to bet it has something to do with US Gov't subsidies specifically for corn. The E85 conversion process for corn is more complicated than sugar-based, but I understand the manufacturers are getting better at it. Unfortunately, their progress is slower than forecast a couple years ago, which is why most mass media is down on E85. I believe it is part of a solution to our dependence on foreign petroleum, however it seems the subsidies may not be entirely in line with what makes the most sense for economical/efficient production. Brazil runs almost entirely on ethanol from sugar beets. E85 has less specific energy, I think about 28% less... so yes you burn more. However, since it is a much higher octane and pretty much detonation proof, I think it is possible to actually run a bit leaner stoichiometric so under low load conditions (cruising the interstate at 65 mph) you may be only 15-20% less efficient. Tuners can chime in here if I am way off base. Also, in the future, a high compression motor (like 12.5-13.0) designed to run ONLY E85 or even E100 can theoretically approach similar mpg to std 9.0-10.0 CR gasoline motor. But this is a ground up design and you could never run regular gasoline in it. I think we will see it in the future when E85 production reaches levels that could support mass production of such a motor. E85 is like cheap race fuel for turbocharged vehicles, but for the mass market to drive demand it has to be 30% less than regular 87 octane for it to gain any mass appeal. It's nowhere close to that without the gov't subsidies. The obvious E85 performance benefit is the ability to run higher boost and/or more timing.