So I need a new soundcard?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Alex, Mar 22, 2011.

  1. Alex

    Alex Community Founder Staff Member

    Just went W7 64 on my primary workstation and there isn't a driver on earth that I have yet to try that will fix the scratchy sound. Best I can tell, it's just an incompatibility issue with the card and the OS, plain and simple. It's a Creative X-Fi and they're not even offering support for that card anymore to the best of my google-empowered knowledge.

    So, what's worth looking at?
     
  2. tolnep

    tolnep Member

    creative sucks. im running an auzentech but i think it uses creative device drivers. my daily boot into OS is windows 2k8 server 32 bit. on that OS there is a trick of reducing the amount of memory the OS sees that stops a lot of the issues. you have to set it at something less than 4 gigs. my main work server has 8 gigs. Works on wink2k8 server 64 bit though.

    botttom line, they all suck. what im running is the server version of windows 7 more or less.
     
  3. Alex

    Alex Community Founder Staff Member

    All Creative products you mean or you prefer to listen to just the sound of your fans humming along?
     
  4. superdoughboy4

    superdoughboy4 Active Member

    Creative kind of blows. Their support for W7 is almost nil.
    People have had all kinds of trouble with Creative and W7.
    My simple 7.1 SE Audigy works fine, but it's one of few that does.
    Go with said Auzentech, or with Asus' Xonar cards.
     
  5. Alex

    Alex Community Founder Staff Member

    There isnt much legacy support for this nForce 4 board either ;) All things considered, CS5 64 bit LightRoom and Photoshop are running like a champ -- love that larger scratch disk!
     
  6. nicad

    nicad Yes I am a troll

    I learned fucking years ago that creative sucks. I had an original athlon (slot A) system with a SB Live. I wanted to kill everyone in that company trying to make that card work
     
  7. Matto357

    Matto357 Crazyazn likes Naps Staff Member

    I pour one out whenever I think of what Creative did to Aureal. Aureal had some really cool tech that kind of died with them.
     
  8. Strayen

    Strayen Active Member

  9. 07Ltd#767

    07Ltd#767 The Neighborhood Drunk

    am i the only one that buys mobos w/ built in hd audio and optical out? I've never had an issue, and i run optical out to my receiver
     
  10. Matt

    Matt Think before you post Staff Member Supporting Member

    no...I do the same. in having a conversation last night with Alex:

    him: I need a new sound card
    me: they still make sound cards? I thought they were all built into mobos now.

    :rofl:
     
  11. Alex

    Alex Community Founder Staff Member

    Im working with a machine that is from 2006 so cut me some slack here :)
     
  12. Mad Mallard

    Mad Mallard the mad mallard

    Don't hate Creative too much, W7 and Vista radically changed the sound interface.

    Directsound is basically dead now. There is no hardware level access to sound thru a Directx Directsound interface.

    Microsoft wanted to isolate their kernal from as many drivers as they could, including sound drivers from other vendors; in the name of reliability.
     
  13. longfury

    longfury Active Member

    I hear good things about the Asus cards. That is what I have been looking into getting for myself.

    I had lots of problems recently with several x-fi cards under XP on a customers machine. I would not buy another Creative card after that.
     
  14. superdoughboy4

    superdoughboy4 Active Member

    07, Matt, yeah. On-board sound cards are still good.
    Who can beat HD 7.1 audio integrated on to a motherboard?
    I guess the only real pro would be to have less stress on the processor, but depending on the card, also have even better sound quality, for the audiophiles.
     
  15. Strayen

    Strayen Active Member

    I would consider myself a semi-audiophile. I have http://www.sennheiserusa.com/noise-cancelling-headset-computer-gamer-headset-skype-voip_502141 connected to the Asus and there is noticeable difference between onboard and Asus dedicated card.

    Alex, read some reviews of the Asus board compared to onboard sound cards based on blind listening tests. Here is one to get you started:
    http://techreport.com/articles.x/14500
     
  16. Mad Mallard

    Mad Mallard the mad mallard

    The two things that make the biggest difference in sound quality is driver programming and DAC chipset.

    Creative is about the only player in the game that designs their own proprietary DAC. Everyone else usually uses the same line of C-Media.

    The only exception are recording sound cards.
     
  17. nicad

    nicad Yes I am a troll

    drew..it's only recently that chipset manufacturers started giving a shit about sound cards. back in the day you had no hardware acceleration for onboard sound, so they were useless to play games with. everyone wrote game drivers for creative so you were basically stuck with them
     
  18. Weapon

    Weapon 90lbs of dynamite Supporting Member

    I have not used a sound card in years. I did a comparison a while ago between a soundblaster live card vs onboard and found no difference other than added power usage and driver issues.

    Save yourself the money and just invest in a good mobo. Most decent motherboards have 7.1 capability and optical out.
     
  19. Mad Mallard

    Mad Mallard the mad mallard

    and if you use the optical out, you're using the DAC in whatever audio system you bought anyways, bypassing most handling.

    The only trick of that is make sure your gear supports whatever sampling rate the mobo or soundcard is pushing out.
     
  20. Alex

    Alex Community Founder Staff Member

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    Replacement motherboard is out of the question as this is a Dell. Not ready to build a new machine yet so a decent quality card will be the ticket here.
     
  21. Alex

    Alex Community Founder Staff Member

    Going to get the card that Russ recommended at MicroCenter tonight (2 in stock) and have them price-match NewEgg. Also that particular card qualifies for a $10 MIR from Asus atm. Final price should be $40. Be sweet if MC actually carried any DD2 667 2GB ram as I am looking to max this system out at 8GB to hold me over until I build a new box.
     
  22. superdoughboy4

    superdoughboy4 Active Member

    667?! More like go ahead and treat yourself to 800.
     
  23. Matt

    Matt Think before you post Staff Member Supporting Member

    his mobo doesn't support 800. it's 533 or 667.
     
  24. Strayen

    Strayen Active Member

    He gave me the model of the Dell and that thing is ancient! Pentium D.
     
  25. Alex

    Alex Community Founder Staff Member

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    Smithfield baby! Unfortunately a bios from Dell doesn't exist to let me upgrade the proc on the nforce sli mobo that's in here.
     
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  26. superdoughboy4

    superdoughboy4 Active Member


    :barf::barf::barf:


    It's time for a new rig, Alex.
     
  27. Alex

    Alex Community Founder Staff Member

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