WRC engine set up

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  1. mokinbird87

    mokinbird87 Active Member

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    just wanted to know what is different and why it is set up the way it is. It seems like the output for the rally cars are 300hp (regulated i think) but has the flattest torque curve. I for one would like a responsive engine too and although funds dont allow for these parts to be on my personal car, I would like to learn the principles.

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  2. Cool_____

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    Restrictor plates, anti-lag, and that boost reservoir thingy.
     
  3. Doug@DBW Motorsports

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    Yup... since the cars run a restrictor they have the large intercooler pipe chamber to store up a larger volume of pressurized air to give a short burst of extra power when the throttle is first cracked open.
     
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    Would such a setup work well on the street for a long time Doug?
     
  5. b reel

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    don't forget speed density and it's a 2.0L, reliable if you keep a case of turbos in the trunk if running anti-lag
     
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    I wonder what the internals are in the WRC cars. Or are they pretty much EJ207 engines?
     
  7. bixs

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    I just enjoyed the thought of a case of turbo's that popped into my head. :drool:

    Although I remember seeing 2-3 in the back of the justy.. one day way back.
     
  8. b reel

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    according subyspares they are closed deck 207's with oil squirters but that may be the Grp "N" motors

    http://www.prodrive.com/up/S12 brochure.pdf
     
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    that would have been a VF-34, 2 (Dead)bolt 18G's and Sparta's dead VF-39
     
  10. b reel

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    Grp "N" S12 motor
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  11. superdoughboy4

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    Never mind. I see how it could damage the turbos.
     
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  12. b reel

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    Oh shit! The boy done figured out something on his own! ROFL!
     
  13. mokinbird87

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    ok.. anti-lag will be stupid for a daily driven car, but what are some things that can be implemented on a daily from the rally car to inherit some of the flat torque curve nature?
     
  14. bixs

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    jesus christ..
     
  15. b reel

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    you can rent one from Weever Motorsports the next time you are in the Netherlands
     
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    [youtube]smVW9AfLing[/youtube]

    Even better. Lol
     
  17. slowwrx

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    I could be wrong about this but I think that I read somewhere that the WRC engines are EJ20G Blocks and I think I read that they were not using AVCS.

    Which kind of seems right since you wouldn't need the extra torque production of the avcs with the anti lag.
     
  18. b reel

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    flat torgue is from anti-lag for the most part but the 11.5:1 compression ratio is key to that as well. Small bore and a really trick single-plane rotating assembly is the tits though.
     
  19. b reel

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    It has to be a production block and heads, I just assumed closed deck 207's

    Here's a good read, http://www.racedandrallied.com/tech...tion-of-the-subaru-wrc-rocket-anti-lag-system
     
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  21. b reel

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    FU, damit
     
  22. Berzerklo

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    Torque in our cars come from the turbo hitting boost, so I would guess the best way to get a flat torque curve is to improve spool time/turbo responsiveness.

    So some ideas could be port and polish exhaust (Grimmspeed offers this), port and polish intake and turbo, silicone hoses for turbo inlet and intercooler, high flow intercooler, equal length headers, ball-bearing turbo, twin-scroll setup...
     
  23. GTscoob

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    This.

    I wish I'd scanned my old dyno chart. 270-280lbft of torque from 3500rpms to 8500rpms and then I think it dropped off to 250 or so at 9K.

    Really though, its all about the anti-lag and high compression on the racecars. In order to replicate it on pump gas you either need small twin-scroll turbos or high displacement in the motor.
     
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    Old dyno chart?!? Bobby did something happen to the JDM Panda bear?
     

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