Summer Project: RSTi; From the Drawing Board

Discussion in 'General Community' started by Electioneer, Apr 24, 2012.

  1. Electioneer

    Electioneer Member

    Hey fellas,

    So summer time is rolling around and I will have some free time on my hands before heading off the school. So, what better time to build a car :naughty:

    Currently I have an 05 STi with most of the bolt on mods that everyone gets nowadays. I love it but I would like to sell as I am nearing the 100k mile mark and I want to get into something that isn't worth so much. That being said, Before buying this car, I wanted to build and RSTi. And, I still do.

    So, I will you the knowledge base of wrxatl to my advantage here as I start this process. Here is what I am thinking:

    1. Find a good canidate for a swap this entails:
    - 98-01 RS
    - Running and driving
    - Decent bodywork, paint can suck as it will be painted
    - Preferably priced below $4000

    2. Buy it

    3. Get my current car back to stock, sell it. I'll sell what modifications I won't use on the new car and keep what I will use

    4. Buy a wrecked STi (04-07). Preferably rear end damage or light front end damage.

    5. Find the time to get everything out of the RS. Engine, tranny, interor, etc.
    (Can the entire power train from an STI fit in an RS?)

    6. Get the RS painted (Metallic grey)

    7. Finish up


    Sounds like a plan to you guys? I expect some of you that have swapped RS' to chime in here. I would like to post what cars I find here and have some of you give me the thumbs up or down. We will see what happens.

    Anyways.

    :hug:

    Take care,
    Reed
     
  2. Jake

    Jake Active Member

    it will cost you close to the value of your STi to do this project. to find a used RS without rust/road worthy you're not gonna pay less than $6000, then a wrecked STi with all drivetrain components intact is going to be at least $4000 plus all the other miscellaneous parts...

    it can be done cheaper, but it takes a LOT longer to dig and find someone who doesn't know what they have or is desperate to get rid of something.

    not trying to discourage you, just giving you a heads up
     
  3. ChrisW

    ChrisW Member

    Find an older L without rust for around $1k-$2k, its not impossible to find one if you are patient. Would you want a coupe, sedan or wagon? If you want a wagon, look for an impreza outback sport. Ive seen those go on craigslist for $1.5k sometimes needing minor engine/transmission work which would suit you perfectly. If you plan on swapping the interior, just save your self the trouble and but a wrecked car like youre talking about and dont try to piece everything together like I did. I spent a little less but it was way more of a hassle and not worth it in the long run.

    The swap is pretty time consuming, but if youre doing the interior too almost everything is plug and play. You will need to cut 2 small holes in your firewall to accommodate the newer heater core but thats not too bad. You will also have a few unused holes in the firewall that you will need to plug somehow.

    Out of everything, the hardest part for me was/is getting the fuel tank harness merged correctly. The fuel pump is plug and play but the fuel level sensor and evap sensor both need to be merged (which I havent figured out yet). Or better yet, you can swap over the entire gas tank/evap system and not worry about that either. Other than that, I had to merge headlights/taillights/blinkers/wipers/doors which are pretty easy.

    Im sure Im forgetting something but that feels like the most of it. Just take your time and enjoy it.
     
  4. Jake

    Jake Active Member

    like i said, finding an RS for cheap is the hard part. you can find cheap L's for next to nothing, but those aren't RS's
     
  5. Electioneer

    Electioneer Member

  6. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    Get All Pro to do the dash and wiring done for ya. I think they will do it for around $2000 give or take. They do such a good job swapping the interior bits over.

    That car in your link coming from PA will likely be loaded with rust. I'd stay away from any car north of the Mason Dixon line.
     
  7. ChrisW

    ChrisW Member

    Youre right about that.

    I think the sunroof and hood/bumper are the only important differences in the L and RS for someone doing a full swap, you might as well save the cash and get the cheaper one.



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  8. ChrisW

    ChrisW Member

  9. Jake

    Jake Active Member

    also PM Techlord or LiquidForce, they have a street worthy swapped coupe and a track swapped coupe. between the two of them, they can probably give you a good idea of $$$, options and what's involved in doing the swap
     
  10. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    They didn't much that was terribly hard....dropped the engine/trans in, swapped a few parts. The hard part All Pro did for them on both cars.
     
  11. liltoua

    liltoua Member

    If you have good connections and can get an STI donor car then do it. Just to warn you, I was looking for one forever when I was thinking about swapping my car. If you don't have access to some kind of auction for wreck cars, then it will take you well more than a summer just to find a donor car let alone all the other stuff you need to do.

    The swap is pretty straight forward, but it's the wiring that is a PITA. Depending on your mechanical skills, the motor and tranny is pretty straight forward, but its the wiring that will take a LONG time if you don't know what your doing. It took me a long time to just swap in a simple EJ205, granted I had school and work, but it's a lot to tackle by yourself......but let me tell you this....the reward is priceless =)

    Like I said the easiest approach to this is to find a donor STI...but that is easier said than done unless you have connections. If you have never done a harness merge before....stay away from it LOL. There is a nice vender on RS25.com that does harness merges though, he charges about $600 give or take to do a complete merge. Subaru's are like legos, you'll be surprise at how much can be transferred into the GC from the GD chassis =).
     
  12. h23bb2

    h23bb2 Member

    Don't do it Reed..... lol
    If you do go through with it, you know I'll be down to help out and offer what I can, when I can. It'd be alot of fun, but like everybody else said, its alot of time and effort and money.
    I know you're going away for school and I doubt you can track down everything and get it together before the summer is over, but if you think you can, let's get the ball rolling and get it done:D
     
  13. Electioneer

    Electioneer Member

    Rust is really the only thing I would like to avoid. The paint can suck because it is going to re-sprayed and small dents can come out but rust seems a little more involved.

    Thanks for the research but I am looking for a coupe ;) Probably should have mentioned that bit.


    I'll keep L's in mind during the search.

    As far as the wiring goes, I would assume that the great majority of the sti harness will be used with the hvac, cluster, engine and tranny. With everything else, I noticed the guide for merging harnesses on Rs25.com and would use that.

    I'm pretty handy with a soldering iron ;)
     
  14. Electioneer

    Electioneer Member

    I will keep that in mind. Once I buy a swap candidate and swapee, I will see where the money sits and go from there.

    Also, I'm not to worried about finding a donor STi. I have a pretty good connection with an auction that sees wrecked out ones often, it's just finding the right one.

    Oh, you know I think I can. And if not, I'll just push the car up to Tennessee and finish it at school! :rofl:
     
  15. liltoua

    liltoua Member

    Yea if you plan on doing it yourself, start doing alot of research now. I must have like 20+ bookmarks that I've saved and did TONS of reseach before I even started my swap. One thing that I've leared is, there is just not enough information to accomidate some of the issues you run into HAHA. You will run into things that will set back your progress and will make you scratch your head and wish you could light up and burn your car =).

    I would also suggest getting an older L. If I could do it over again, I would get the L, lighter and no sunroof =), also gonna be alot cheaper. Like you stated above, rust is a HUGE problem with these older chassis. It might be hard to find a coupe with no rust. Just keep searching, you'll probably find a STI donor car before you find your GC. Make sure your pockets are deep =), this will not be a cheap project....idk why subaru stuff are so expensive =(. Donor cars are still going for like 8k, you can buy a perfectly running WRX for that much lol.
     
  16. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    Soldering in itself is not the proper way to merge harnesses if you ask my honest opinion. Solders over time tend to loosen and get poor connections.
     
  17. slowwrx

    slowwrx Supporting Member

    Soldering the way that most people do it is incorrect. I've got books about milspec wiring that demonstrate the proper techniques. Don't right its the only way to do it properly, mechanical connections will fail over time.
     
  18. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    That's what I meant. Soldering the way 99% of the people do it isn't that great.
     
  19. slowwrx

    slowwrx Supporting Member

    Ill see if I can dig up the book and post a some basics on wiring.
     
  20. techlord

    techlord Active Member

    just bring over the entire harness.

    actually, for the price you can pick up one already swapped, I would just do that.
     
  21. Texsun

    Texsun Member

    just swap your stuff over... hell idk what im talking about though so dont listen to me
     
  22. ChrisW

    ChrisW Member

    Are you planning on swapping the gas tank/evap stuff? If you do (and I would recommend it if you need emissions testing to avoid CELs), the only things youll need to merge are the:

    Doors
    Headlights
    Tail lights
    fogs (if you have them)
    Blinkers
    Wipers
    Horn(maybe?)

    All of these minor merges can be done at their individual plugs, which is even easier. You are swapping dashes, interior, and everything under the hood so this should be a 95% plug and play project.
     
  23. Electioneer

    Electioneer Member

    Thats what I was thinking. As long as the as tank is ruptured I'll swap it.

    UPDATE:

    I have been eyeing over these two beauties.

    http://www.rs25.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175765

    This one runs and drives fine, but has 1/4 panel rust. That makes me nervous because if it has gotten there, where else is it underneath? I'll text the owner and see what I can get out of him. He appears to be getting desperate to sell.

    http://www.rs25.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177384

    Doesn't run well. Owners is looking to get 2500ish he says. No reported rust. ABSOULTLY ugly but that will change anyways.

    Take care,
    Reed
     
  24. Sparta

    Sparta Active Member

  25. Jake

    Jake Active Member

    buy that second one on RS25, before someone else does. if you're swapping anyways, just trailer it.
     
  26. stirhino

    stirhino Member

    Any updates?
     
  27. Electioneer

    Electioneer Member

    Thanks for the nudge.

    And yes. Won this wrecked STI at auction today.

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    It's a 2006 STI with 107k on the clock and it should get here next week. I'll follow up with better pics/make a build thread
     
  28. slowwrx

    slowwrx Supporting Member

    Wheres it wrecked, that shell looks really straight
     
  29. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    If you don't mind sharing how much did you pay for it? I paid $5k for one a few years ago to do a swap and they someone offered me $7k.....no brainer and let it go...lol
     
  30. Kokopelli

    Kokopelli Active Member

    I'm guessing it doesn't have brembos. Looks like somebody pulled some parts before the insurance company got it.
     
  31. RSConvert

    RSConvert ɹǝuɹnʇpɐǝɥ uʞnɟɐɥnɯ ɐ sʇı Supporting Member

    Looks like a very nice donor.

    Good luck with the project.
     
  32. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    LOL it's on doughnuts on all 4's it looks like. What a clean looking donor. You can probably sell a lot out of it and make your money back.
     
  33. Electioneer

    Electioneer Member

    Report says front end/mechanical damage. I guess I will just have to see exactly what is up when it gets here. I autochecked it and it came up with this timeline:

    -June of 2011, wrecked
    -Feburary 2012, rebuilt title issued
    -Present day, Sold at insurance auction

    So, what stirhino and I came up with is that the car was being re-built and the guy stopped paying for it. Then the shop turned it over to the insurance co. Either way, it's mine now and I will get into more detail when I see it in person.

    As far as the engine goes, it is tempting to build the short block while it is apart. Just for the added insurance and a brand new engine in what will be a brand newish car. Assuming the block does have 107K miles on it.

    I payed $6K

    I doubt someone didn't go to such trouble. Like it said, the car was being rebuilt so I doubt they would remove brakes. We'll just have to see. Fingers crossed!
     
  34. Electioneer

    Electioneer Member

    Thanks much. I might give you guys a call if I run into any snags! The swapped blue coupe you guys did pretty much got me off my butt to do this.

    That's the plan! I will end up posting up the parts I wont be using so be on the lookout if you are in need of any STi goodies.
     
  35. Electioneer

    Electioneer Member

    Got the car dropped off today. It's fun going through and seeing it for the first time. Body looks pretty darn good and the frame is perfect. No rust so bolts should be easy to get off (knock on wood). Overall I'm pretty happy.

    Now here is the rub. No calipers (you were right), rear diff, driveshaft, front axles are wrong, no downpipe, no injectors, no oil pan, no clutch, no starter and a different looking transmission. I really hope it isn't a 5 speed. I'll check the numbers when I go back tonight but here is the under side of it and by the engine:

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  36. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    pic of the trans?
     
  37. Sparta

    Sparta Active Member

    Automatic? Is that 6 speed linkage even hooked up underneath?
     
  38. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    4EAT automatic, you've been had
     
  39. Electioneer

    Electioneer Member

    Well nuts. Anyone want it? And no the linkage wasn't hooked up but I figured it was just missing.
     
  40. ChrisW

    ChrisW Member

    Man, sorry about the bad luck. What are you going to do?
     
  41. slowwrx

    slowwrx Supporting Member

    Let me know what you want for the shell, I need a backup chassis for the shops new racecar.

    I would be interested in the shell, doors, fenders, and bumpers if you have them.

    Matt
     
  42. Kokopelli

    Kokopelli Active Member

    Is it even a 2.5?
     
  43. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    oh dude sorry but you haz been got.
     
  44. ChrisW

    ChrisW Member

    You can barely see 5 in the last pic
     
  45. slowwrx

    slowwrx Supporting Member

    I wonder if any of the control arms are even correct.
     
  46. ballistic

    ballistic Member

    looks like an eagle rod in the block. could have a built bottom end... or rod knock
     
  47. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    hmmmm if that is a built block then i'd question if that was a built auto.
     
  48. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    stands a better chance of being just a WRX w/auto and STI bolt ons
     
  49. stirhino

    stirhino Member

    Those for sure are not stock rod bolts so looks like built bottom end.
     
  50. h23bb2

    h23bb2 Member

    Why take the 6spd and leave the built block? Unless of coarse the block is toast, which would be my guess.
     

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