The BRZ already has a Turbo Kit

Discussion in 'General Community' started by Electioneer, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. Electioneer

    Electioneer Member

    Here are some pictures from Tial Sport's upcoming turbo kit for the BRZ. Why not just go front mount with the turbo?

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  2. Jake

    Jake Active Member

    this is one of two or three that were already fabbed up before the cars hit consumers...
     
  3. 07Ltd#767

    07Ltd#767 The Neighborhood Drunk

    maybe it's me, but i would never trust that kit. With the oil line hanging down like that, if it were to get caught on something or if you had to runover something unavoidable on the highway, that could cause, as Jeb would state it, that boom boom pow

    I agree with the front mount location - that looks like they threw it up on a lift and said "put a turbo in that hole"
     
  4. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    not to keen on that hard 90 for the inlet, the oil line would only need a skid plate
     
  5. h23bb2

    h23bb2 Member

    That location was chosen so the factory exhaust manifold could still be utilized resulting in a more affordable kit for the consumer.
    I agree- Its not that big of an issue. Especially if the kit would ship with it (I may have read somewhere that it does.)

    My complaint is the blow thru style MAF setup:/

    Here's some results:
    http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2382816
     
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  6. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    I want to see power charts.
     
  7. Jake

    Jake Active Member

    that and i would think all the hot air passing over the top of the engine to get to the intake wouldn't be that great. seems like an awful lot of piping...
     
  8. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    nevermind.
     
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  9. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    just wait till 2015 when Subaru's version of the ebay electric turbo hits the market
     
  10. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

  11. Smokin_Joe

    Smokin_Joe Member

    saw that. 12.5:1 compression is a beast
    Joe
     
  12. Trancetto

    Trancetto Active Member

    50hp increase with 4 psi, what's not to like.
     
  13. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    uh maybe a 75 shot and far cheaper?
     
  14. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    Nitrous adds up FAST and the bottle runs out. Turbo is there to stay.

    Give it time........it'll make more boost soon. Right now they are testing and all.

    On another note those rods look mighty skinny.
     
  15. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    The NA motor is just that... needs a new bottom end and comp drop
     
  16. mokinbird87

    mokinbird87 Active Member

    i wouldnt drive that set up in a heavy rain with puddles... just the thought of water going straight into the turbo... yikes...
     
  17. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    Not an issue. Think of all the remote mount domestics with the STS kits.
     
  18. slowwrx

    slowwrx Supporting Member

    Its direct injection its likely that dropping the compression isn't entirely necessary. It does have what appear to be very weak ringlands and that could be an issue but 12.5 to 1 compression isn't really that big a deal, you can even run the car pretty lean with DI.

    The turbo kit is garbage though, its a half ass solution, no one wants 220hp...thats lame.
     
  19. JEFFSTI

    JEFFSTI Member

  20. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    ^^^Talk about a shameless plug.



    Matt I know the kit could've done better but 50 hp from 4 psi isn't shabby.
     
  21. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    from what one of the techs told me, there seems to be a lot left on the table with the FA20 and with a few bolt on mods and tune may get close to 300. he did emphasize "may"
     
  22. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    In N/A form?
     
  23. h23bb2

    h23bb2 Member

    Tune only made 18hp at peak with gains everywhere!
    http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2377468

    Perrins testing out various components as well. Everything makes the typical 3-5whp more than stock without a tune. Wish they'd release results from the car with all their bolt-ons and tuned....
    http://blog.perrinperformance.com/

    Perrin claims that it will be awhile before they release any header designs which I think is a shame...
     
  24. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    Still have another 100 hp to go though.
     
  25. h23bb2

    h23bb2 Member

    Exactly.
    I'm assuming "may" and "close to" are the key points to the guys statement. One persons idea of "close" and my idea of "close" aren't exactly the same. lol

    But I think between the bolt-ons and tune, you could see gains in peak power similar to this kit at 4psi. The car starts to run increasingly rich as the rpms rise so a simple AFR correction in the top half of the rev range will prove to be super beneficial.

    Back to the turbo car... Visconti is waiting on speed density to be released for it which leads me to believe they ran out of MAF voltage or started dealing with the inconsitencies common with blow-thru setups. He's a very capable tuner so there's got to be a hardware/software issue stopping the process right now. For all we know it could be the factory map sensor even.. Hopefully we'll see a modest bump in power safely at 7-9psi. Still no answer on what turbo they used yet, but 12psi should be keeping it well within its efficiency range regardless.
    EDIT: Its a garret GT28RS (disco potato- comonly used on SR20DET motors). This is probably what I would've picked myself. Seems like a viable option for a NA motor this size spinning alot of rpm.

    Not sure how the direct injection is going to affect power production either. I'm not all that caught up on it, but I do know the Cobalt SS guys have various ways around getting more fuel. The most common one is the addition of an extra injector up stream of the intake runners iirc... If this becomes the case, it seems like a step backwards.... They run out of fuel pressure not so much as fuel flow. Again, I'm not that knowledgable on the topic atm, but I will be soon as the newer WRX/STI's will likely implement this technology...
     
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  26. wagunz_pwn

    wagunz_pwn Active Member

    Somewhere, in Japan...there is an engineer, in a lab coat...just weeping in the corner.

    Does it really NEED a turbo?

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  27. Trancetto

    Trancetto Active Member

    ^^

    Give any car to Keichi and he'll make it look good.
     
  28. superdoughboy4

    superdoughboy4 Active Member

    I believe Keiichi was even surprised at the handling capability of a stock GT86. If it surprises Keiichi, than it's something worth looking into.
     
  29. slowwrx

    slowwrx Supporting Member

    A lot of people get balance and good handling confused with fast.

    Its amazingly well balanced for a stock car. It is not fast in any way shape or form.
     
  30. rsutton1223

    rsutton1223 Obsessed Supporting Member

    I am pretty sure (I'll have to double check though) that the guys at UGR run a second fuel rail that dumps fuel when the car hits boost to overcome that issue on the Lambo's...
     
  31. h23bb2

    h23bb2 Member



    probably since its been a viable means of additional fuel on boosted applications for the past 20+ years. I know they just released a new intake manifold for the cobalt ss motors that will allow an additional set of injectors to be utilized. the only thing is, at what point is the owner gonna have to step up to something like that and whats the cost involved going to be? i hate to see it cost an arm and a leg and be needed at say 230whp:-\
    I guess time will tell, but for now, things seem to be moving forward nicely with their latest offering..
     
  32. Electioneer

    Electioneer Member

    This is better

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    gt2871r :)
     
  33. tallgeese2

    tallgeese2 Member

  34. rsutton1223

    rsutton1223 Obsessed Supporting Member

    Looks really laggy. I wonder if they can tune it better to bring on boost quicker.
     
  35. slade1274

    slade1274 Member

    Sure... with a Dom 1.5

    :p
     
  36. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    Wow. Easily $10,000 and 320hp.....I'm impressed.....NOT
     
  37. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    Here's a proper kit making proper power.
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  38. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    graph from a boosted S2K?
     
  39. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    No an automatic FR-S.
     
  40. WRboXer

    WRboXer Active Member

    this thing needs a small 3071 and rpms.
     
  41. CelticPride

    CelticPride Banned

    I dunno. 300 hp at 8 psi on 93 octane is nice. Not even the STi is making that kind of power at low boost but this is much much much higher CR at 12.5:1
     
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  42. b reel

    b reel Active Member

    and DI...

    I think it's a waste of time doing anything with the stock long block boost wise. I'd wait till the aftermarket gets some goodies out in the market.

    What's the numbers with just bolt-ons and a tune?
     
  43. h23bb2

    h23bb2 Member

    +17whp for a tune on a stock car

    intake, over pipe, cat delete and cat-back were worth roughly 12whp (+/-3) without tune. It runs stoopid rich on the top end so there's a lot of room for improvement
     

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