i do it everyday, and i was wondering if anyone else do...i sometimes mess up in heel-and-toe, and i am wondering if i am putting any strain on the car...OMG, double-clutching make our cars SOOO much smoother to drive!
"it" meaning heel-toe or double clutching or both? I've tried heel-toe a few times when trying to drive aggressively through a corner but i rarely do it. I need to try double clutching though.
can we explain these terms in more detail.....I've heard mixed stories, explainations of both....just to clear the air....
don't know what either of those are...kinda familiar with the concept but i don't know how to do it...i read the thread on nasioc but i was drunk and never went back to read it sober
If I am driving hard through the mountains I do it all the time. Otherwise I don't see much point. Usually if I am not driving hard I tend to mess up more, if I am driving hard I get it nearly every time. Usually I will rev match though. Use to blip the throttle and go through the gears when coming to a stop, but didn't let the clutch out. Seems to help the synchros, and really eases that 2nd-1st shift.
I heel-toe all the time, but I was under the impression that double clutching was not necessary in a transmission with synchros. Anyone know for sure? Please explain.
I bought some Piloti's... And yeah I heal-toe all the time from third to second, but double-clutching seems pointless to me. Maybe I'm just missing it?
i heal-toe all the time also... no double clutching currently, though i do need to learn because of the crazy downshit from 2nd to 1st in the 02-03's (that i know of)....can't get into 1st if you are over 20mph. kinda annoying when trying to get times at autocross =)
I heel-and-toe when I need to, but for some reason I've gotten myself into the habit of double clutching all the time...... I know it's not necessary, but I think when I was learning and practicing I just got the hang of the rhythm and it stuck.......
Exactly :bigthumb: Actually the Colorado State Patrol had a better setup with the STi they fixed up for their little anti-street racing campaign.....
So I understand why double clutching is neccesary with certain transmissions. But it seems like it would be so much slower on a car with sequential gears. Maybe it's just because I've never really tried to learn it, but I mean it's like another whole step in the shifting process. It seems like I could get into the next gear "granny shifting" (thank you FnF) before the engine is even able to rev up to the correct amount.
i heel-and-toe every turn and even most of the time when i'm slowing down-knowing that i will have to keep moving at a reduced rate and/or will need to reaccelerate. most of my work commutes are a form of driving meditation to me anyways... there's an old saying that in a critical situation you are reduced to the least of your training. approaching a turn at triple digit speeds is a pretty critical moment
I just started using the heel-and-toe and love it. I do it all the time. Thx Milo for the help on getting it right. :coold:
Heel toe everyday, twice on Sunday. No double clutching...as others have mentioned in this thread, I didn't think it was necessary for our transmission setups. :werd:
I'm pretty sure double clutching isn't needed, but i do like to rev match as it prolongs the life of the clutch and tranny. It may sound louder but it's a lot smoother when slowing and using the brakes rather than engine braking. I'm trying to master heel toe but it's a bitch when you have to wear an ankle brace due to long term injuries.
Everynow and then; however, I am usually stuck in so much traffic the only I do is into first and out of first
um, noob here... i think i can figure out the heel-teo thing, but whats double clutching? and why would it be beneficial to do it?
^when you down shift, you push in the clutch, then momentarily shift into neutral, let out the clutch, then you rev the engine (this is to spin the intermediate shaft in the tranny and rev match for the lower gear), then push in the clutch and engage the lower gear. All of this is to make the down shift transition smooth. It's normally done for cars without syncros, but it also helps in decreas the wear and tear of the syncros if you do have it.
I really need to have someone show me this heel-toe thing....I tried to do it and my arc cramped up and I almost hit somebody....:rofl: :wtc:
Or if you're like me and have large oafish feet it's not so much a heel-toe shift as it is a left side-right side shift. Basically a graceful mashing of both pedals at once and rolling your foot...... not quite as dignified as a true heel-toe shift, but it works quite well
You can perfect your heel-toe technique by practicing some braking with your toe, while your foot is slightly sideways, at a roughly 45 degree angle, in such a way that you could use your heel to blip the gas. The hardest part about the heel-toe method is learning to brake, with your foot in that position while at the same time allowing your heel some freedom of movement. I say practice braking that way because the throttle blip is the easiest part.... for me anyway. I can just blip the gas so the engine will rev up just like I want it to without having to give it any thought.
If you really want a challenge practice left foot braking. For those all 2nd gear auto-x courses it should help.
Ewww, but then you might become a two foot driver always and be one of those people whos brakelights are constantly flickering or just simply on. And then one day I'll be behind you and I will absolutely hate your exsistence.
Ok so I really want to try and start experimenting with heel-toe. And I've never really tried it in my car before, but just sitting in my computer chair messing with my feet, it seems like it will be extremely difficult to blip the throttle without simultaneously blipping the brake.
it takes some practice but u get used to it... im sure learning to heel toe is easier than learning to drive stick
lol, I doubt you could ever catch me on the track or auto-x course, so it shouldn't be a problem. But yeah, left foot braking on the street is irritating.
Both Heel-toe and left foot braking are really easy to turn on and off IMO, so you shouldn't ever have a problem with it becoming too much of a habit. I actually practice some left foot braking every morning when my idle is high. It helps me get around the parking lot faster without the car being unpredictable due to the higher idle.
Well LFB is advantageous in an automatic tranny situtation if you are trying to be as demanding out of it going into a turn, etc as you would of a mt.
Heel-Toe was a PITA to learn w/ the Drive by Wire throttle delay in the 06s. I didn't really realize how big a deal it made until I did start Heel-Toeing. I just have to mash the crap out of the throttle with the side of my foot to get it to rev like I want. BTW I wear a size 12.5 shoe and yes, it is interesting heel-toeing in a wrx with anything other than my driving shoes(tight ass Pumas).
I cant seem to be turning off the heel-and-toe LOL.. my dad smacked my head because i wouldnt stop heel-and-toe haha... He was like,, wth are you doing....there`s no snow in atl...lol BTW, he drove a massive semi that carried missles when he was in the army in korea lol, so i cant say shit about driving. He just thought it was unecessary for me to be doing heel-toe in my car.