Cheating in stock autox classes.

Discussion in 'Meetups & Events' started by GTscoob, Mar 6, 2007.

  1. GTscoob

    GTscoob Black is Beautiful

    Is using wagon struts on a sedan to achieve significant negative camber without the use of bolts or plates considered cheating in stock class even though they're both OEM pieces? What about wagon springs being significantly stiffer than their sedan counterparts in the rear?

    Just something that I've been curious about for a while since both involve playing around with various OEM setups but still remaining bone stock pieces.
     
  2. keeganxt

    keeganxt Active Member

    dude why'd you bring it up...now the secrets out! lol

    sorry don't have any real input on it...but sounds like a plan
     
  3. 5spdfrk

    5spdfrk Active Member

    If you're actually competitive(like taking podium finishes), then it may be worth looking into with the scca gurus.

    But if you're like most people who just run for fun, then they will probably wont care.
     
  4. Meredith

    Meredith Banned

    At national tours and divisionals there is something called impound, where your fellow competitors look at your car and at nationals they MAKE YOU REMOVE ONE WHEEL. If you want more camber, run STX or STU or ESP. As for the shocks you cannot change the STOCK geometry of your car if you want it to run in a D stock, also spring rates MUST remain stock for that model (ie sedan, tr, wagon, STi). Unless you running r-comps in DS you are not going to be competitive locally. Seeing how additional camber and spring stiffness can impact the car's limits I would think most people wouldn't run that setup in a stock class at any level out of sportsmanship.
     
  5. BrianGT

    BrianGT Banned

    It would be considered cheating by the stock class rules:
    We put Ohlin fixed perch shocks on our STi for the stock class, and the alignment came out the same as it was previous, -1.1 front camber. I do wish that there was a stock legal way to get more camber, but that is just the way it is.

    My opinion is that if you aren't going to go through with full prep for the stock class (or at least r-comps), then pick a class that you can do the mods that you want. If you aren't going to run R-compounds, the ST classes are a great choice.

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    Brian
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2007
  6. veck

    veck Member

    As has been previously stated you would be breaking the rules with that swap. IMHO its harder to prep a car for "stock" class than for some of the other "higher" classes. Without R-compound tires you are not going to be competitive in stock classes.
     
  7. WJM

    WJM Banned

    What she said.

    that being said...






































    CHEATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  8. Meredith

    Meredith Banned

    Heheh I must of have been alittle grumpy! You should see how serious people got a dixie espeically during the STS2 impound. Obviously running something doofy in your car like... a CAI really wouldn't give you much for stock class, nobody will care regionally.
     
  9. WJM

    WJM Banned

    Oh I dont doubt it...I've seen some bad arguments.
     
  10. GTscoob

    GTscoob Black is Beautiful

    I have no intention to do it I just figured I'd throw it out there. I mean if you really want to cheat, just grab some rear springs from a 4EAT model, they're slightly stiffer than the 5MT counterparts.
     

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