Hey, I didnt know if anyone has seen it yet but there is a First Test Drive review on the new subaru turbo diesel motor... see link http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=124553 I wouldnt mind having 260 lb-ft or torque at 1,800 rpms... -pankopp
Nice find! I heard they are supposed to officially come out with this motor next month at the Geneva Auto Show. I am excited! Hmmm, I will order that, a 6 speed transmission and a tig 'ol burbo. Siegel, have you ever tuned a diesel? :ddirty:
FUCK THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if it comes to the usa with the 60mpg rating.... I AM IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *WJM doubts we will ever get it. Period.
I'm in too if it comes over here. My last car was a tuned turbo diesel (VW). I sometimes miss 50mpg and 300 ft/lbs.
I am just talking out of my ass but... new/evacuated fuel system motor, harness,ecu, sensors (no idea on cost) I dunno if the new motor is using a different turbo, but I know the exhaust gas temps on diesels are lower than spark ignition so i bet you would be fine with your VF39 throw out your ignition system (weight savings!) Not sure of emission equipment on diesels. Don't know if anyone can tune it. Might need a new gearset to utilize a hugely different powerband add a tow hitch for your boat Overall, should not be too hard... but the article mentioned the possibility of making a diesel STi. That could be oodles of fun.
So it is illegal to swap a diesel into a gasoline car? I thought this was America! Plus, if i did it I would swap to biodiesel. Fill up a Mickey D's!
Thats NOT the point. If you live in an area not requiring OBD2/Visual emissions inspection: Go for it. Remember, 100% of the modifications we do to our cars is illegal anyways. Engine swaps are defiantly illegal. Swapping Gas to Diesel is illegal and vice versa. But then again, most OBD2 inspectors dont even visually inspect the cars. So as long as it green lights the OBD2, you could have swapped a power stroke into a 96 Impreza L and you'd pass. You could have swapped in a EJ18E into your 2005 Dodge truck that originally had a Cummins in it and you'd pass. But if the inspectors were doing their job, you'd fail. ALL of my cars, and truck, would fail. GTscoob's car would fail. techlord's car would fail. SS's car would fail. Doug's car would fail 100 yards away. etc etc etc... You get the point now, right?
it kind of pinches my balls that you can't even modify your car to be greener. i mean if it meets or exceeds actual emissions output regulations, who gives a fuck?
While I and 99% of the intelligent people would agree, the laws/reg created by the EPA/DOT/Feds were to prevent people from modifying the vehicles to INCREASE emissions...inherently preventing us from legally modifying the vehicle to emit LESS emissions as its still a modification to the emissions systems. Its dumb, I know. But I'm just letting ya'll know before you do it and then say "I cant pass emissions! this is BS!" However...if you do follow the red tape and books and regs and fill out form after form and get it inspected by some dude who knows a dude...its legal. But who wants to take all those steps that'll take you months or years to complete?
Bring a turbo diesel forester to the US and I am in! I am actually selling my turbo diesel suburban right now to get my wife a forester (the suburban is just too big for her and its older). I would gladly trade the forester in a few years for a turbo diesel forester.
There's speculation that we will start getting a lot more diesels in the next couple of years. The growth of biodiesel has been through the roof, all over the world, since 2001 and it continues to climb. All diesel engines made after a certain year, like 96 or something, have the tougher seals that wont get corroded or... what's the word? ...damaged by biodiesel blends. I'm ALL for a diesel Subaru because of the economy and torque potential. Unfortunately the thinking of most Americans, ignorantly, is that diesels are only for trucks when in reality we are far behind the rest of the civilized world in our alternative engergy solutions. E85, BTW, is bullshi!.
Biodiesel is not the soloution that everyone thinks it is for many reasons. Plus, a lot of folks are not even sure what true biodiesel is. Taking frying oil and converting it does not equal biodiesel. it's esterified oil, making it a fuel oil, but not diesel. 1) true biodiesel is made mainly from corn and soybeans here in the US. In the EU rapeseed is much more common. There is research in to the possiblity of using sugar cane as a source. 2) the carbon footprint of biodiesel is very high, not as has as petroleum products, but considering the input costs, its not the miracle we're hoping for. 3) Biodiesel is corrosive, less stable, and less lubricative than petroleum based diesle. This causes newer engines a lot of problems. a) The corrosive properties of biofuels attack human skin, rubber, and some plastics. b) biodiesel is much more likely to solidify at cold temps, fuel tank heaters and fuel line heaters are often needed in norther climates. c) new diesel technology has let to common rail technology (just like the fuel rails on our cars), excep these rails are pressurized up to around 25,000 -30,000 PSI (yes that figure is correct). The idea is that fluids are more precisely controlled at hight pressures. This high pressures require new rotary piston fuel pumps that replace the injection pumps of the past. The high pressure requre a significant amount of lubrication. Currenly Bosch has limited the percentage of biodiesel that can be used in most of their pumps. Older engines on the other hand, can handle lower lubricative properties because of lower pressures, and looser tolerances. Not to mention that even using a B20 blend (20% biodiesel 80% diesel) will shorten your service intervals by as much as HALF! In terms of hours of use, a typical diesel engine can go 400 - 500 hours with out fuel filter change. If you use B20, chagnge em every 200 - 250. Not that we cant learn to use these new fuels, and not that when burned they arent better, but we still have a way to go yet.
A lot of the Diesel = truck mentality is partially due to ignorance, but a lot of it has to do with our Federal Government. Our country has one of the strictest emission standards for diesel engines in the world, so all the fun diesel cars from Europe and Asia don't usually bother getting their engines up to snuff for the US b/c it would cost a lot and they don't think they would sell many cars (bad deal for them). I am so excited about the Subie diesel coming over here sx because I think there is starting to be a huge market for it... I want to be a pioneer in the Biodesiel Tuner niche!!! And I agree that E85 is worthless. It drives up the price of EVERYTHING (because now things like hay costs multiples of what it was a few years ago so now milk, meat, ect ect are more expensive). Plus because of the stoichiometry of Ethanol, you need to burn more gas to make the same power as normal gasoline AND the icing on the cake is that most studies are finding the clearing of more land for growing produce to make ethanol and the produce themselves actually produces more greenhouse gases than just driving on gasoline would. To sum up: Diesel = good, E85 = FAIL!!!! /rant
Thats not entirely true. The reason VW dropped the TDI from their line-up was because of US fuel quality, not emission standards. While we may have the strictest emission standards on diesels, we also have the worst quality diesel. What we call 'low sulfer' diesel here in the US would not pass for 'low sulfer' in the EU. The push to get refineries up to speed has been a hard one. Low sulfer diesel takes more inputs to produce, but it does burn cleaner, and doesnt foul fuel system components as much. There are engines that run in the EU without fail for years, and send a couple of them over here, and oh boy here come the fuel system issues. NA is behind on diesel technology, most of your major US engine manufacuters are still using EPA credits for some of their engines, Cummins is a big one. Where EU countries are already road testing Tier IV using SCR (urea injection), advanced EGR techniques, and aftertreatments like catalytic converters.
e85 made from corn and under the corn lobby's claw has much of these flaws. there are better plants for the north american climate to use for ethanol production. also, you can regain alot of the lost power and energy difference from e85 because its effective octane rating is so much higher by NOT making the car able to run both gas and ethanol. A dedicated e85 car will be a much higher compression, or will be a much higher pressure-charged car. (at least thats how i had it explained to me...)
just to add to the diesel discussion. this is a brief link on the emissions. http://www.stealthtdi.com/Emissions.html for the record, regardless of whether one uses bio-diesel or petroleum diesel, i think these engines will be an important part of US energy policy. i'd swap out my 2006 legacy wagon with one of those legacy 2.0d wagons when they come over in 2010.
Anybody else catch this? I'm wondering how modular that header will be for bolting up to other EJ20s.
I did my emissions last week and the guy used a mirror device under my car to check for cat's and did a visual inspection of the engine compartment, not that he knew what he was looking at. It still passed but know one has done that before.
You guys are so uninformed.....current technology advances make it used out of other products that are mainly waste by-products. Not only does this mean much lower cost as it is not competing with the food market for anything (including land) but it also means that it is cheaper and cleaner than gasoline. Also current production starting this year and next year here in the SE will mean that it is about 20,000 btus more efficient than gasoline to produce and burn. Add to that the fact that new engines being designed that are specifically FOR E85 that are high compression (read 19:1) make them even more efficient than gasoline engines and get far better mpg. Time to read up on a subject before you speak As for the Diesel Suby, I am excited and can't wait to see them here in the US. I think it also is a good technology!!
thats what I figured. Yep. That was the first thing I noticed that interested me on the technical video that was released like 2 years ago. I dont know, and I would hope it would not, if it would bolt up to existing engines. Hope not, why? I would think they would redesign the exhaust porting for something a little more efficient, such as STRAIGHT THE FUCK OUT on all 4 ports. BUT, since people are mentioning that it still 'has that boxer sound' from test drives, it makes me think they have left the exhaust port design alone. Thus i would bet 99% that it would be possible to bolt it up. If that is the case, I want to know how the oiling system of the turbo works. If it works well, I'll take that technology and bring my twin turbo EA82 project back. The only hold up was turbocharger oiling.
A current Georgia emissions inspector is supposed to do a visual check for the cat, test the gas cap and hook up the machine (emi) to the o.b.d.port and see if you have no c.e.l. codes .If your monitors have all run and there are no codes than here is your emissions certificate(after you pay 25$ or less.)as far as modifications go anything that does not fail those parameters is o.k.The computer does not know if you have a 2.5 instead of a 2.0 or if you have headers, intake etc.I know that those parts should have an exeption # but no one at Georgia Clean Air Force school said anything about it.
^^^^^^^^ i just think it's hilarious my WRX passed and not my MR2. I would have loved to see the exhaust sniffer readout from the WRX haha. I ran the MR2 on 50/50 ethanol for the 1 minute trip to the emissions station and immediately gassed up afterwards to avoid fuel line damage. Anyway, that worked. I think many people in that kind of situation don't feel like making 800 dollars in repairs to get the credit from GA Clean Air Force.