WRX Diesel!

Discussion in 'General Community' started by Berzerklo, Apr 28, 2008.

  1. Berzerklo

    Berzerklo Active Member

    ...In the UK. See article below.

    http://www.leftlanenews.com/uk-to-get-wrx-diesel.html

    I know there has been a lot of talk about the diesel motor going into some of the other cars in the Suby Fleet, but a WRX?!?:ddirty::ddirty::ddirty:

    One can hope that this car will come to this side of the pond. While on the topic of hope...

    STi Diesel? :eek:hnoes:
     
  2. GTscoob

    GTscoob Black is Beautiful

    Looks interesting. We'll never see it over here but I cant wait for videos of diesel WRXs spewing black smoke all the way down the drag strip or rally course.
     
  3. dontcallitarex

    dontcallitarex Active Member

    I think this would ruin the WRX, but that's just me.
     
  4. Doug@DBW Motorsports

    Doug@DBW Motorsports Active Member

    will be sick for sure. Once can probably bet in a few years we will see many people using the diesel cranks to build stocker suby motors.
     
  5. bluetwo

    bluetwo Active Member

    I'm not sure how to feel about a diesel WRX or STi... seems a little unlikely.

    In a few years all the car makers are likely to have diesel variants though. I think I read Acura is going to provide us with an oil burner in the TSX for 2010, if I remember right. Where did I read that?... oh yeah. Automobile Magazine.
     
  6. Brian

    Brian Active Member

    The next car I buy will be a turbo diesel. Hopefully an 09-10 Legacy...
     
  7. AK_Raptor

    AK_Raptor Member

    Turbo Diesel STI FTMFW
     
  8. bluetwo

    bluetwo Active Member

    A diesel Subaru is a brilliant thought and yeah it'd have to be a turbo.

    Subaru is still waiting on other car makers to get things going in terms of diesels though, so I say if Honda/Acura gets here with it first, and since they do have an incredible reputation for quality, they'd get my business.
     
  9. dontcallitarex

    dontcallitarex Active Member

    They tested this motor in the LGT in Motor Trend, I believe. In that tune it made something like 198hp and 270tq. Those are great numbers, true, but the 0-60 was something like 9 seconds. Though it's not a terribly telling figure, to me that just doesn't scream performance like the WRX's 5.5ish seconds.

    I just think the WRX would be lame with only 150hp as a start. Say all you want about torque, you need some hp to really feel it.
     
  10. GTscoob

    GTscoob Black is Beautiful

    So says the man with the 2.5 making gobs of torque and no topend HP . . . jk bro.
     
  11. dontcallitarex

    dontcallitarex Active Member

    Touche' salesman. :rofl:
     
  12. WJM

    WJM Banned

    Dude, the REX is already ruined. Its called the G12 chassis.


    Anyhow, if SUBARU does bring compression ignition engines to the USA, I want to see one in the Forester and/or Tribeca.

    The 'beca has SHIT for gas mileage on the same power/tq as a 2.5 turbo engine...so if a LGT with diesel gets 60.5 in euroland, then the beca should be able to manage 40. I would expect a Forester to see 50's.

    As it sits, wife wants a beca...while I dont mind getting one for her, it sucks the gas down like any other SUV. Plus at $40k...no. The 09 Forester XT is fucking NICE. But again, it'll get about 5mpg with me driving...15 with ife driving. :rofl:
     
  13. BlackAndBlue

    BlackAndBlue Member

    but we have shit for diesel fuel here, unlike across the pond...
     
  14. WJM

    WJM Banned

    but if it gets 60mpg....thats 60mpg.

    Trip A: 1000 miles, 90% interstate, 10% country.

    Two cars: LGT Turbo, LGT Diesel. Both cost $35k.

    93 Octane pump gas: $4.00 gallon.
    Diesel: $5.00 gallon.

    LGTD gets 55mpg average.
    LGTT gets 28mpg average.

    Both have 15.9 gallon tanks.

    Soooo....a little math here...

    LGTD uses a total of 18.18 gallons, total cost of $90.90 in fuel.
    LGTT uses a total of 35.71 gallons, total cost of $142.84 in fuel.

    Sure the LGTT has better 'performance' in terms of power and future power capability...but to the average consumer, the LGTD is more economic.

    The diesel would have to cost $7.86 a gallon, gas stay at $4.00 for the diesel to not work out.

    I say, as it stands right now, diesel is FTW as long as there is a SIGNIFICANT mpg difference between the two.

    Now if we average that you drive 20k miles a year...

    overall MPG average for the LGTD is likely around 40...and the LGTT around 18~20, we'll give it 20.

    500 gallons of fuel for the LGTD, and 1000 for the LGTT.

    LGTD costs about $2,500 @$5/gallon. LGTT costs $4,000 @$4.00/gallon. Thats an extra $1,500 in savings you could put towards paying the car off, xbox, PS3, home gym, house, etc...you get the idea.
     
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2008
  15. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    What about turbo diesel engines? Do they typically get better mpg than gasoline turbo engines?
     
  16. WJM

    WJM Banned

    Ummm...yes...I dont know of a single modern diesel thats NOT turbocharged...

    The SUBARU diesel is turbo. The turbo is on the bottom of the engine, nearly where the oil filter is on current EJ engines.
     
  17. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    Really? That's where ours should be for optimal exhaust routing!
     
  18. WJM

    WJM Banned

    Umm...yuh! something about cat location and heat for the turbo required it allto be VERY close to the heads.
     
  19. dontcallitarex

    dontcallitarex Active Member

    Didn't we recently adopt the same low sulfur diesel that they use overseas? And isn't that why it's so expensive now?
     
  20. JWX

    JWX Member

    Only bad thing I can see with this is that whole immobliser thing.
     
  21. WJM

    WJM Banned

    Fixed.

    whats so bad about it?
     
  22. bluetwo

    bluetwo Active Member

    Yeah we have low sulfur diesel, there is even significant biodiesel use in the U.S. and I'm SURE that every manufacturer (who brings us a diesel) is going to provide an oil burning engine that either uses a urea tank and sprayer to clean up the soot or, like Honda-Acura, they could make one that doesn't even need that type of thing to burn ultraclean and lean.

    I'm sure that even though petroleum diesel is a byproduct of gasoline refinement that the difference in price as of late is directly due to the rising cost of oil by the barrel.

    I just read a book called - Biodiesel: Growing A New Energy Economy, which explains VERY well the history and advantages of both petroleum and biological diesel fuels and I recommend it to anyone who cares the least bit about saving money on fuel and making some contribution towards a healthier planet. I was also surprised to find out that the Reagan administration was responsible for taking diesel off the consumer and transportation market, in a big way, when we had the fuel crisis of the 70's and that millions of gallons of biodiesel blends are already being used in our nation.
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  23. JWX

    JWX Member

    Swapping this into other cars will be that much more of a pain. I can't think of an aftermarket EMS that will run a diesel.
     
  24. WJM

    WJM Banned

    I was told by someone that the MS can run anything.

    The immobilizer can be overcome.
     
  25. Berzerklo

    Berzerklo Active Member

    I am excited about the huge torque/small displacement of diesel motors, as well as the good fuel efficiency. I am also very excited about the tuning potential of diesels. Look at the tuned turbo diesel trucks on the road (this is the only thing I can base my opinions on since the only turbo diesel market that exists in this country right now is big ol trucks). But to all you skeptics out there (cough cough Russ) I give you this:

    http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/dodge/0706dp_1000_horse_power_dodge_ram_mega_cab/dyno.html

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    1008 whp, 1,864 lb ft out of a 5.9L Common Rail Cummins V8. 29,000 PSI common rail pressure pushing 79 PSI of boost on 13.5:1 CR. Granted this is a built engine, but there is no NOS, and he is using the stock intercooler (with staged water injection). The guy who built this got 860 hp on stock internals! Granted there is some argument that having a twin turbo v8 will make more hp/liter than a single turbo H4, not to mention I am not convinced the aluminum block in the Subie can hold the same pressure/temps as a heavy as American V8... but don't scoff at the Subaru diesel motor because it only makes 150 hp in stock form.
     
  26. WJM

    WJM Banned

    what the FUCK. Thats not a V8. You can clearly see in the pic its the I-6 24v engine.
     
  27. Berzerklo

    Berzerklo Active Member

    Wow, you are right. I guess I just saw 5.9L and assumed V8... but holy SHIT a 5.9L I-6?!?
     
  28. WJM

    WJM Banned

    its a Diesel. While still an internal combustion piston engine, lots of other things are vastly different than gasoline.
     
  29. Brian

    Brian Active Member

    The urea tanks are for NoX emissions, a particulate filter is used for soot emissions.

    Quick story about my last diesel. It was chipped & had big injectors which made a big difference in power of course. But if you floored it, you'd get 30+psi boost and a moderate amount of black smoke(more than stock, less than some dump trucks). One day my wife took it to the store. On the way back (a narrow twisty 2 lane road) a new navigator came flying up and rode on her bumper. She saw a couple driving with their windows down and way too much head bopping to whatever they were listening too. Soooo she floored it, made a big stinky diesel cloud and watched the pair choking on fumes as she quickly pulled away. Revenge was sweet. :fawk:
     
  30. bluetwo

    bluetwo Active Member

    ^^^^^^
    Thanks, that's an easy way to explain it. I didn't really mean it literally but I see where I worded it wrong and kinda out of context.
     

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