Ebay EL Header

Discussion in 'Modifications & DIY how-to' started by integroid, Nov 11, 2008.

  1. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    I just won this EL Header for $100 shipped. From first looking at it I thought it was the Synic Motorsports EL header. Then after further reading on NASIOC, it seems people think it is the synic header without the synic badge on it. Anyway, so far there have been pretty good reviews on it. I should have it next week so I will post up more after I get it.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Turb...m14&_trkparms=72:727|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318
     
  2. Ben@TTR

    Ben@TTR Member

    Looks cool. I'm rockin an ebay un-el header and ive had no issues other than it rubbing a little but a little grinding fixed that. Keep us posted. Are you planning on tuning after the install? I'm curious of any hp gains.
     
  3. seanwrxwagon

    seanwrxwagon Member

    "Gain much performance and torque."-Ebay
    How could you go wrong with a promise like that. Let us know how it fits and how the car reacts. I actually looked at the same ad this week. For the price just the weight savings are worth it as long as it does what it should do as a header.
     
  4. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    Yup, I will let yall know when I get it in. I am not getting a tune afterwards and honestly, it might be a month or so before I even install it since I will have to get a new up pipe because the header I have now has a 3-bolt flange up pipe.
     
  5. seanwrxwagon

    seanwrxwagon Member

    You can pick up an up pie for cheap on ebay.
     
  6. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    Yeah, I know but I was looking to go rotated or EWG at the least. Can't find any of those really cheap anywhere:)
     
  7. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    Ok, I got the headers in yesterday. They look to have thick flanges and pretty good welds. Not as nice as my Maddad/GTSpec genII/Other 3 bolt uppipe UEL header but not far away from the quality. I will take some pics of it tonight before I wrap it. I will see Matt (Slowrx) this weekend so I will show it to him as well. It LOOKS IDENTICAL to the Synic Motorsports headers. I won mine for $51 + $40 s&h on ebay.
     
  8. WRXCoupe

    WRXCoupe Active Member

    Can't beat that price!
     
  9. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    I took some pics the other night before I wrapped them. They are from my phone so some of the pics are not so great in quality.

    The one thing that I was impressed with was that all of the tubes were ported. I thought that alone would be worth the $50 I paid for them:)

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    Last edited: Nov 21, 2008
  10. slowwrx

    slowwrx Supporting Member

    interesting, bring it with you if you don't mind, I would like to put it on this motor I have on the stand and see what the clearances look like. It looks pretty decent from the pictures.
     
  11. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    Those are some long runners.
     
  12. Doug@DBW Motorsports

    Doug@DBW Motorsports Active Member

    whats the diameter of the piping? any chance you could measure it?
     
  13. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    Doug, I will try and measure it tonight for you.
     
  14. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    1.6" for the primaries and 2.1" at the up pipe collector
     
  15. Doug@DBW Motorsports

    Doug@DBW Motorsports Active Member

    is that id or od?
     
  16. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    Inside diameter of the tubing. I cant really measure the outside diameter because it is wrapped now.
     
  17. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    I installed the header today. The header fit perfectly with little wrestling to get it on. Just a few taps from a mallet. It was easier to get on than my stock manifold. Unfortunately the EWG setup did not fit so well with my Invidia Catted DP so I had to get another setup. Should have the car back running on Wednesday and will try to get a video of how it sounds on the car.
     
  18. GtKansan

    GtKansan New Member

    Hey Integroid... long time no.. hahah since just the other day actually. So this header didnt work with your DP? You do have the normal invidia catted DP right?
     
  19. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    Oh no...the header worked fine...The External Wastegate setup (upipie, wastegate, dumptube) I had would not fit with my Invidia Catted Downpipe. The dumptube would not clear the catted section of the downpipe.
     
  20. WJM

    WJM Banned

  21. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    Yup, from what I understand, Synic Motorsports had a company in china make a replica, was selling the replica for $700. Now the CHinese company must be dumping them so on ebay they went. They are identical even down to the porting of all the tubes. The only difference is that the SYnic header has their logo plate welded on.
     
  22. Trancetto

    Trancetto Active Member

    man u gota have to logo, :rofl:
     
  23. Trancetto

    Trancetto Active Member

    ingr so u took of ur invidia dp off? Willing to sell it , it would go nice with my invidia catback.
     
  24. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    No, I took off the UR EWG setup and got just a plain uppipe. My DP wouldnt fit your car. It is made for a Legacy GT:)
     
  25. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    Keep an eye on that header. The Synic's are known to crack.
     
  26. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    Will do.....If it cracks, I am going to get my stock manifold PNP and stick it back on.
     
  27. Trancetto

    Trancetto Active Member

    ohh :squint:
     
  28. crashtke

    crashtke Member Supporting Member

    You ever get this tuned or get some video for us? Any impressions?
     
  29. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    No tune but I am going rotated soon:) My impressions at first were not so good because I accidentally had a bend in one of the lines going to my WG actuator that was causing the car to not hit full boost. Once I fixed that and reset my ecu the car ran great. The sound is completely different. I wouldnt say it sounds like a Honda at all but it doesnt sound like a Subaru either. For under $100 I would say this is the best manifold for the money as long as it doesn't crack in the next 6 months:) The engine runs a lot smoother and has absolutely no problems hitting target boost. Honestly it is probably +or- 5-10 hp from my 3-bolt Maddad header. I dont think a video would do it any justice because I havent heard a video sound like my car does now.
     
  30. crashtke

    crashtke Member Supporting Member

    What part of Atlanta are you located in?
     
  31. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    Right at Spaghetti Junction. I am in Duluth about once a week but usually not for that long.
     
  32. crashtke

    crashtke Member Supporting Member

    I'd enjoy hearing how it sounds in person. I am also curious to hear dougs or scotts impressions after tuning it.
     
  33. blindfold

    blindfold Active Member

    same here, interested in both the sound and performance, more importantly on performance
     
  34. crashtke

    crashtke Member Supporting Member

    Ya definitely a function over form kind of guy, lol. BUT at the same time, I don't want my car sounding like a fart can honda either, lol.
     
  35. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    crashtke....Talk to Scott about my Maddad headers. He was very impressed with them.
     
  36. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member

    Yes, and I have a set for sale:)

    Actually all of the 3 bolt uppipe headers are the same with different name plates welded on. The maddad goes a step further and welds an EGT bung on the #4 runner.
     
  37. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    Wrong. And your Maddad is UEL where mine is EL. Maddad's headers have a different size velocity stack inside of them. They are not all the same. They are made by the same company but with different levels of quality. Maddad's are also thicker.
     
  38. crashtke

    crashtke Member Supporting Member

    Think they also have a new design right?
     
  39. blindfold

    blindfold Active Member

    too bad maddad's equal length header flanges are not all 100% flat
     
  40. integroid

    integroid Supporting Member


    Sorry, I meant all the 3-bolt UEL headers are the same.

    Also, I am fairly certain all the 3-bolt EL headers will be the same as well.
     
  41. crashtke

    crashtke Member Supporting Member

    Any more on this? Had people that had fitment issues or something?
     
  42. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    It's posts like this that hurts a truly great product. Mine weren't flat either and I called Rich (owner of Maddad). He then called the company and they explained it to him. They purposely did it like that and due to the 3 bolt design on that flange when you torque them down they end up being flat. I was very very wary of this and when I installed the headers I purposely left off my shield so I can simply drive the car up on block and crawl under it to check for leaks. I've check while warm, while hot, and while ice cold and they simply DO NOT LEAK!

    Also Rich has defended this repeatedly on other sites and has said himself if one is leaking he will replace or 100% refund on the part. He has yet to get one back. The only leaks I've read about were leaks at the uppipe to header flange. I've talked with every one of those owners and all of them were installing their parts in the wrong sequence initially and had warped the flanges. Install your parts right and you won't have an issue.
     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2008
  43. crashtke

    crashtke Member Supporting Member

    Right on, what is their current going price on the new version of the header? Most likely not as cheap as the ebay one, but maybe better quality if the ebay ones were haveing cracking issues.
     
  44. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

  45. crashtke

    crashtke Member Supporting Member

    The one you have is the equal length version right? Not the V2?
     
  46. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

    Correct. I have the equal length version. However you MUST install a 2.5L turbo oil pan to use it.
     
  47. crashtke

    crashtke Member Supporting Member

    Huh, well might be doing that one day when I switch to the 2.5 engine. Any clue what type of steel the header is made from?
     
  48. Cool_____

    Cool_____ Banned

  49. crashtke

    crashtke Member Supporting Member

    Holy long thread!! Looks like I have some reading to do...but so far no word on the type of steel used, but it may be buried in the 5000000 pages of the thread.
     
  50. blindfold

    blindfold Active Member

    Actually it is posts like mine that help the community. If a flange is not flat, then it is not flat, you are the only person on the entire IWSTI board that has a sloped flange that does not leak. Maddad makes some great products, I have his 3"-2.5" intermediate pipe so I am not here to tarnish the name. I honestly think his response to the sloped flange is total BS. If a flange is not flat, then it will leak, I know several people has to get the flange milled flat to fix the problem. I do not understand how a sloped flange matters as to how they are bolted down, 3 bolt flange or not.


    Carry on with the Ebay header, I hope to see some good results.
     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2008

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