Decisions Decisions

Discussion in 'Modifications & DIY how-to' started by AWD_Tiger, Jan 11, 2007.

  1. AWD_Tiger

    AWD_Tiger Member

    alright guys i want your input..

    i got some money for x-mas to spend on my car($400)

    I was planning on getting some GC coilover sleeves(because i can get what ever spring rates i want)

    but i recently got an alignment and saw that my camber bolts had slipped (-2.5 in august to -1.3 in jan), so ive started looking at camber plates.

    here are my choices
    1. get a nice set of camber plates(PDE) and save the rest of the money for springs in the future

    2. get an less expensive used set of camber plates and save a little more(~$100) money and buy new springs

    3. screw camber plates.. just get some nice springs(GC's, RCE's,etc.)


    as for my use and planed use for the car, i love to auto-x, and would like to do a few HPDE's a year, forgot to add my car is mainly a daily driver

    Current list of suspension mods-

    Tokico D-Spec's
    Prodrive Springs
    Ingalls Camber Bolts
    H-Brace
    perrin 22 adj. fsb


    Thanks
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2007
  2. Nitro

    Nitro Active Member

    2.:werd:
     
  3. mckenzietj

    mckenzietj Member

    Those camber bolts work fine but you have to tighten the hell out of them! With 400 your about half way to some coil overs that include camber plates but you still will want at least the stock front eccentrics in anyway for a good autocross alignment. My camber bolts are Eibachs and they slipped ONCE, I guarantee those suckers won't slip anymore! I put dual camber bolts per customer request in the "Lord of V-TEC's" '06 Civic SI w/JIC's and he has had no problems and he's a serious autocrosser. I tighten them w/ a 300' lb. 3/8 impact.
     
  4. Alex

    Alex Community Founder Staff Member

    Go with STi Pinks, they're the ultimate answer to everything :)
     
  5. GTscoob

    GTscoob Black is Beautiful

    Go with the JDM STI Arai 'tarmac' springs. 325lb/in F, 275lb/in R, they're the stiffest spring you can get. Racecomps will be a little softer than those and sit lower. Espelir GTs are 280/230. JDM Pinks are something like 270/217. 05 Prodrive STi springs are supposed to be pretty stiff too. I think the Tanabe GF210s are pretty stiff too but I've heard of quality issues with them. Espelir GTs can be had for cheap, if you feel like roadtripping down here we can take an afternoon to put mine on your car (with the washer mod) and see how you like them, if you like'em you can find some for yourself.

    All of these are 04+ springs and will require you to use the washer mod or the Turn-In Concepts strut spacer to make the D-Specs fit 04 tophats. You've got some good struts that should handle a pretty stiff spring. Finding a stiff spring to fit the D-specs is going to be hard since all of the springs available for 02/03 struts are spring rates paired to the stock dampers; 04+ springs have a much wider range of options since there are springs meant to be paired with stock STI struts.

    TiC Strut Spacer
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2007
  6. rexrocker

    rexrocker Active Member

    What are you looking to do with the car? Not happy with the Prodrives you're currently running?
     
  7. pEd

    pEd This ain't no Piccadilly!

    I'd say buy a new set of camber bolts and go "gorilla on 'em" getting them tightened down.
    That way you get your springs and can keep the camber you're wanting.
     
  8. AWD_Tiger

    AWD_Tiger Member

    thanks for all the info guys,

    i will look at a better quality set of camber bolts and as you guys said tighten the sh** out of them

    I will also have to do a bunch of reasearch on what springs will suit my driving style/requirments. i was skeptical on the idea of running 04+ springs because of the sketchy "washer mod", but as Bobby said a couple people on nasioc now make a nice one peice spacer for cheap.

    rexrocker: I like the prodrive's but i want somthing stiffer

    Thanks again
     
  9. clemsonscooby

    clemsonscooby Active Member

    Clayton, if you had Willie doing your alignment at the Seneca Checker Lube, he is notorious for not tightening the camber bolts down. If its just camber slipping, you can also buy an alignment tool and just do the alignments yourself. There are some DIY's on it in both NASIOC and scoobymods. Invest in a 1/2" drive torque wrench.

    Also, I don't think you are running enough swaybar. Get a big whiteline rear. I was really pleased with mine as it helped rotate my car a lot and stopped body roll. I wouldn't concern yourself yet with the higher spring rates as it will increase your NVH drastically. There is also the option of Cobb used for 400. I have seen them on NASIOC for that much.
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2007
  10. AWD_Tiger

    AWD_Tiger Member

    Cobb what.. Springs??
     
  11. clemsonscooby

    clemsonscooby Active Member

    I was speaking of Cobb AP. As that is a ESP legal mod.

    The swaybars will help your springs out a little more by distributing the weight a little more evenly on both sides, rather than one side of your suspension working harder.

    If you still want the springs and camber plates, sell your current setup, and use the extra 400 to put towards coilovers. That way you get the camber plates, higher spring rates, adj. struts, and ride height. Your setup plus the extra 400 should allow you to buy the Tein Flexs, JIC FLT1 and 2, Megan's (calmnothing) and the Helix's. Just be prepared to deal with the harshness of coilovers. I still say get the larger swaybars and call it a day.

    The above is basically almost what I did to get Alex's JIC's.
     
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2007
  12. slowwrx

    slowwrx Supporting Member

    PDE Plates and RCE Springs

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  13. AWD_Tiger

    AWD_Tiger Member

    I think ive decided on PDE plates an a rear swaybar and endlinks(ive come up with a little more money)

    i dont think i really want coilovers because of the harsh ride.

    and as i get more money i will buy springs

    thanks for all the help guys:)
     
  14. AWD_Tiger

    AWD_Tiger Member

    Another question... when looking at whiteline rear sway bars.. ive read several differant things if it is a 24 adjustable, does that mean its 22-24-26, or 24-26-28?

    thanks
     
  15. slowwrx

    slowwrx Supporting Member


    The KW coilovers ride better than stock, Ill be happy to give you a ride if you want. I think Scott has a "Scott and Matt are going to win one lap" special going on.
     
  16. Alex

    Alex Community Founder Staff Member

    :bigthumb:
     
  17. clemsonscooby

    clemsonscooby Active Member

    Its 22/24/26 for the 24mm Whiteline. Just set it on max stiff and let it ride. I have been running that bar with stock endlinks for a while with no issues. Some will say they had issues with the stocks and that bar. Personally, I prefer a little dullness from that bar as I haven't seen any snap oversteer with it.
     
  18. AWD_Tiger

    AWD_Tiger Member

    Slowwrx: i dont think i will be able to afford those any time soon, im a poor college student for now:wtc: .. thanks for the offer though:)

    Alex: Im definetly going to order the PDE plates, and the RCE springs are a top contender on my list for sure

    Tom: thats exactly the info i was lookinf for.. im gonna try and find a used bar of that size. and i think i will try running it on stock endlinks for a while and see how i like it

    Thanks again guys:wiggle:
     
  19. clemsonscooby

    clemsonscooby Active Member

    Just make sure you use a good torque wrench and the correct specs when tigtening down the endlinks. The stocks will definitely break if you over torque them. Bigsky on clubwrx has a post it with all the torque specs for the suspension. I made it into a word file if you just want me to email it to you.
     
  20. AWD_Tiger

    AWD_Tiger Member

    Tom, i PM'd you my email address

    thanks
     
  21. slowwrx

    slowwrx Supporting Member

    I'm running stock end links and have not had a problem yet.
     
  22. AWD_Tiger

    AWD_Tiger Member

    are the 06 sti endlinks the same (strengh wise) as the 02 endlinks
     
  23. clemsonscooby

    clemsonscooby Active Member

    I don't think the rear endlinks are the same for the sti and wrx. I thought the sti had the dog bone looking ones and wrx's had the "c" shaped ones.
     
  24. pEd

    pEd This ain't no Piccadilly!

    ^^ they are different and you're correct.
    I would run the stock ones until the bend/break.
     

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