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Discussion in 'Modifications & DIY how-to' started by plokivos, Jul 6, 2005.

  1. plokivos

    plokivos Member

    I thought this was interesting.

    i got this from xceeleration.com.



    We have been receiving a lot of e-mail asking questions on many issues, which are important. We thought this would be a good place to post what we have learned from different sources and experiences.

    * We heard of an ECU recall: VIN numbers 2G500050 to 2G504423. Check yours and get it into the Subaru dealer immediately!
    * WRX UTEC Stage 4 runs at 18 lbs boost, so no need to turn it up.
    * WRX UTEC Stage 4 programing does not take into account any non OEM intakes or Intercoolers. They may lean out the engine beyond acceptable values. We have found only one Manufacturer that is the exception "Unifilter".
    * We're finding the install time for the Stage 4 is about 10+ hours of labor. This is because the uppipe takes about 5 hours by itself to install. The uppipe is the single most difficult upgrade to install.
    * If you are building up your engine, remember the stock WRX engine connecting rods can not handle torque over 400 ft/lbs. and 420 hp. We are told they are going to snap or blow a piston....
    * If you are running Stage Systems 4 and above, you must be prepared for parts to wear out quickly. The car is under a massive amount of torque and it takes it's toll. You could expect early replacement of your clutch, synchros, gears, u-joints, rings and more. This is the price of PERFORMANCE! Many say it's worth it!!!!
    * Don't waist your money on performance heads and cams in search of better air flow. Just turn up the boost.
    * We are told for a WRX to break into the 10s in the 1/4 mile will take more than 400 hp at the wheels, that's moving.
    * To be save, you should not run NOS.
    * If you installed a WRX UTEC Stage4 Piggyback Chip and then add a larger intercooler or aftermarket intake, it must be reprogrammed. These issues disappear with the new UTEC Chip.
    * Your car will not run if you remove the Stage 4 Piggyback Chip, and could cause problems if removed. This does not happen with the new UTEC.
    * TurboXS turbo back system will hook up to any performance muffler, because it ends where the stock muffler would be. The Xcceleration turbo back system will allow any after market cat back system.
    * New uppipes are available with super hi-flow cats in them. This keeps your car protected from stock uppipe cats failing and keeps you visually correct for State Inspections. Many States now are charging $2500 fines for not having the proper number of cats. Our cats can be seen here.
    * If you are going to remove a Stage kit from your car remember to replace all the stock hoses back. I learned one of them (where the manual boost control goes in the engine compartment) has a restricter in the hose. If it is replaced with a non OEM hose it will not have the restricter the car needs to run, so it will run like shit, possibly over leaning the engine....
    * When adding gauges with O2 sensors, be careful, many have thrown the CE light....possibly tapped into the wrong place in the system or ??
    * CE lights are possible with any aftermarket exhaust system: uppipe or hi-flow system. The CEL code is usually for inefficient operating temperature of the cat or uppipe. There are aftermarket fixes for both, so don't worry.
    * If you are adding an intercooler, it will allow you to lower the boost because of the more efficient cooling, please remember Stage 1 or 2 are not programmed to run it's best over the manufacturer recommended boost setting of 16 psi. So unless you have had the UTEC reprogrammed, keep the boost down!
    * During hot temperatures keep your car cool. One suggestion is to force a larger volume of air onto the intercooler, the temperature will be lowered, and the volume will be greater. The engine will work more efficient giving you more horsepower with more air. The scoops are 1 inch taller, a big difference! Secondly, upgrade the stock radiator to a aluminized one that will be a higher flowing, thicker radiator. Unknown to most users, a new radiator will keep your car running cooler up to 6 degrees C. This is a huge advantage when trying to beat the heat that is slowing you down. Of course this advise will only work if your car is driving in really hot weather....da!
    * During cold weather, remember to watch the boost. The Chips are programmed to increase boost based upon temperature, so if it's cold enough your boost could be higher than recommend. This is one of the reasons for a boost gauge!
    * Here's some words on turbo timers found from June 2001 TechTIPS published by Subaru for Subaru Technicians: "2002MY WRX TURBO COOL DOWN PROCEDURE:FHI's position regarding this is that it is not necessary to perform a "cool down/idling" procedure, as was recommended with past turbo models. Our current 2.0L turbo engine has a far greater cooling capacity and, coupled with technology advances, makes this practice no longer necessary. This explains why information about cool down is not included in the 2002MY Impreza Owner's Manual. The heat contained in the turbo charger will begin to vaporize the coolant at the turbo charger after the engine is stopped. This hot vapor will then enter the coolant reservoir tank which is the highest point of the coolant system. At the same time the vapor exits the turbo charger, coolant supplied from the right bank cylinder head flows into the turbo. This action cools the turbo charger down. This process will continue until the vaporizing action in the turbo charger has stopped or cooled down." So I guess there's no real reason for spending money on a turbo timer.
    * On a stock WRX or when installing any of the TurboXS systems, be careful of who is the manufacturer of the intake you are using. The word is many of the intakes lean the system out further than the chip programing recommends and then the CE light comes on. Also, when leaned too much you are running the risk of frying things (see above street stories). We have found the Uniflow intake falls within the programming parameters and our customers are having a great time without the CE light to watch! Avoid a nightmare on your street!! See stories above.
    * Only the Automatic WRX is limited to 130 m.p.h. from the factory. If you add a Stage 2 system or more, you should be able to go above the factor set limit. But, as you know, speeds over the legal limit are for 'Off Road' only!!
    * If your car has no power over 5,000 rpm (no boost), the possible problem could be a bad EGT sensor. To test, disconnect the EGT sensor, which will force the car to default (CE light should come on). Then try the car. If it runs fine without the sensor, then its bad and will have to be replaced.
    * If you plan to add headers, it will increase your turbo lag, while increasing top end HP. So, there are compromises.
    * TurboXS says to expect white plugs upon inspection after running their systems. Also, they have tried one colder plug with no performance gains to speak of....so keep your money. The gap is .028 for the plugs.
    * If you change your plugs and have disconnected the battery to accomplish the task, remember to reset the ECU!
    * If you plan to run high boost pressures, 16+ psi, then upgrading your turbo, fuel pump, injectors and UTEC mapping are a must consideration. The stock system will be over stressed and don't be surprised if things start blowing!!
    * Some have upgraded their turbo without upgrading the associated parts: their fuel pump, injectors and UTEC map. This is living live on the edge. If you are running 16+ psi, then you run the risk of stressing your car's system: leaning out the car, frying a turbo, blowing injectors and more. Everything is max. out, so don't do it. It may feel good, but only for a short period of time before it breaks. Upgrade the fuel pump, injectors and your map or pay the consequences.
    * WRX UTEC Stage 2 installed on WRX: we are told you could safely add an uppipe and fall within the parameters of the mapping. The benefit will be more power for every day driving and it will be felt in your seat! Remember: the uppipe will increase boost pressure so you must watch your boost gauge. Opps, don't have one, better get one!! The save thing to do is to turn the boost back to 16 psi where the Stage 2 was set from the manufacturer.
     
  2. plokivos

    plokivos Member

    * There has been much talk of the CE light coming on when you replace the Uppipe (has no cat) and have only one cat in the car. We are told by the Subi/rally guys that most likely the CE light will not show up, it hasn't for them. So, with this in mind, the odds are you probably won't see a CE light with the replacement of the Uppipe. But, as you know, there are no guarantees. If a CE Light does show up, the code usually refers to an improper CAT operation temperature. Since this is after the engine, it shouldn't create any problems. There is an electronic fix to stop the light, but you should have additional gauges to monitor your system. Also, remember to reset your ECU! Like candy left on the table (tempting), can you resist leaving the power of the Uppipe, about 7-8hp, on the table....Hmmm that's the question? The uppipe fix is as follows: All you do is get a 2.2 Kohm resister from Radio Shack. It should be rated at a 1/2 watt some have burnt theirs when using 1/4w. Next you want to find your EGT probe which is in the uppipe. Follow it up until you come to the sensor, that is the sensor that you are going to unplug. It should be the very last sensor on the rack. On the other side of the clip is where the resister gets installed .Wire it parallel between the two wires on the ECU side. It should look like an H. Wrap it up and you are ready to rock. Make sure you reset the ECU and that you leave the sensor unplugged.
    * When doing State inspections, be aware TXS UTEC Stage Upgrades 2-4TMI may pass an emissions test, but probably not pass a visual test of the exhaust system. If the visual test is a concern in your state, either reinstall the OEM exhaust system before any inspection or purchase Xcceleration's super hi-flow downpipe, uppipe and midpipe with cats. These pipes are designed to provide maximum performance and still have 3 cats on your car.
    * Watch your OEM uppipes after upgrading/increasing boost with Stage upgrades. The new weak link in your exhaust system after spending all your money on a turbo back exhaust is now the OEM cat in the uppipe. It will take a pounding from the higher boost levels and could blow, sending pieces up into the turbo, UKKKK! Upgrading the uppipe should be your next consideration before an intercooler. Get that OEM cat out NOW!!
    * TurboXS tunes all their maps on 93/94 Octane gasoline. If you live in an area where you can not get this grade of gas (or better), you will likely need to make some minor modifications to your maps to increase your safety margin and avoid any det. Per TurboXS, a general rule of thumb would be to knock off 1-2 degrees of timing for every Octane point less than 93 you run. Therefore, if you get 91 Octane, take about 2 degrees of timing out across the board. Yes, this will reduce power, but that is the price of safety. Adding a little fuel may help as well, but is not as effective as reducing ignition advance. TurboXS has now released 91 Octane maps, go to their website to download: www.turboxs.com.
    * If you are running a hi-hp application and power pulleys, we have found you run a risk of a CEL for random misfiring or detonation. It seems the power pulleys are allowing the crank to turn faster, fast enough to cause issues with the crank sensor, which throws the CEL. If the CEL is for random misfire, then it's only a light, not actually happening, but if it's for detonation, you are probably having timing pulled which means less power. The solution is simple, either don't put them on or take them off and replace them with the OEM pulleys, then reset your ECU. The code should stay away. It has for others!
    * If you have a Stage4 kit and miss a shift, you run the risk of blowing a gear, either the synchro or the gear. The amount of torque going through the tranny is sufficient to destroy it, if you don't know how to shift. Be careful! FYI, built automatic trannys rule. They can't miss a shift and are winning at the track.
    * The three most important aftermarket gauges to have in your WRX are a boost gauge, air/fuel gauge, knock sensor and your CE Light! Don't be deceived into thinking this Light is just an idiot light, it is not. It represents over a dozen critical codes. The only problem with the CE light is it could miss important information you need to protect your engine. As you increase HP, the ECU becomes less accurate and it is critical to monitor your car's systems. When you add a boost gauge, air/fuel gauge and a knock sensor, you are adding additional margins of safety. It is a small price to pay to safeguard your car, buy them! If not, we may be writing your street story.
    * We have heard about the new STi as follows: Unlike the standard WRX, the STi in stock trim can, and does, detonate on 93 octane gas. (We’d hate to see what happens on reformulated California 91 Octane.) Like the WRX, the STi ECU runs highly variable ignition timing. Can you say ‘Dastek’ boys and girls? I think you can! The STi likes a nice, free-flowing turbo back with 2 cats installed to the tune of up to a ~48hp (28whp) gain (assuming similar ignition timing, of course!).
    * Heard that the new 2004 STi has pistons which are cast and coated, not forged, along with good rods. This means it most likely will not product the lofty HP everyone thinks they are going to get from mods. The word is the STi engine should be good for about 450-500hp, if the boost isn't over 18psi, while the WRX is good for about 420HP, if the boost is not over 18psi, before things start to break. So forget about that 500HP plus monsters at 19psi and higher, unless you build up the bottom end.

    * Blow Off Valves: the plus and minus - There are many people who will say that if your car has a MAF (Mass Air Flow) sensor (which is most modern turbo cars), you can't vent a BOV to atmosphere. This is not entirely true. In most cases you can, but it pays to be aware of the possible side effects. Quite often you may find the side effects are so minimal that they are not really a concern. Most factory turbo cars run some form of MAF sensor These sensors are used to determine the amount of air the engine is using so it can deliver the appropriate amount of fuel. In a car with a MAF sensor, when a BOV vents, air is escaping from a closed system. This air has already passed through the MAF sensor and has been measured, and the computer doesn't know that this air never made it to the engine. This will cause a brief rich mixture as the computer will still deliver the correct amount fuel dosage based on the amount of vented air. There are two stages to a BOV venting, as initially it is evacuating the pressure from the inlet pipes and intercooler, which usually takes less than a second (depending on your inlet system). Then once the pressure is released, the valve stays open to allow the turbo to freewheel, thus reducing compressor surge and the associated thrust and torsional loads. It is mainly during this freewheeling stage that causes the over-fuelling, since the turbo is basically pumping air through the MAF sensor and out to the atmosphere through the BOV, which accounts for the majority of air that escapes the system. The resulting rich mixture is what can sometimes cause backfiring and a puff of smoke in some cars. The severity of these effects usually depend on the state of tune of the engine. In cars that are modified (say with full exhaust, pod filter, a little extra boost etc.) but still using the factory tuning, it is not uncommon for the ECU to compensate for the extra airflow it sees by running rich for engine protection. On a WRX for example, mildly modded engines can be running as rich as 10:1 with the factory ECU. It is this poor state of tune that can cause backfiring when an atmosphere-venting BOV is added. Stalling is another common problem, many people have had bad experiences with atmosphere-venting valves causing stalling problems. However, with the correct spring adjustment this problem is reduced. As long as the valve closes properly before the engine reaches idle, the ECU will have no problem maintaining a smooth idle. Most complaints of stalling actually come from people using certain Japanese brand valves, which often do not have the range of spring adjustment to compensate. Key is: some cars are affected by backfiring when venting to atmosphere, and some are not. Even two identical cars with slightly different mods can react differently. The bottom line is if you vent to atmosphere with a MAF sensor you MAY use fractionally more fuel (depending on the kind of driving you do) and there is a chance you may hear some popping in the exhaust. For those Subies wanting maximum noise from the valve this is usually not a worry! Also, if you can not stop the fluttering sound above 3000 rpm, then remove the spacer inside the BOV, this should allow for better adjustment. Also, you must make sure a BOV is installed and working correctly. If not, it could create a vacuum leak, which would be seen by the ECU as needing more fuel for the system, when it is not really needed. This fuel rich situation will destroy exhaust cats and more. So, put that BOV on correctly or else!
     
  3. plokivos

    plokivos Member

    * Boost Creep (Boost Spikes) The waste gate on the turbo is controlled by the ECU and is looking for a certain amount of pressure on both sides of the waste gate. When you change the pressure by using an exhaust system that is too free flowing, then the waste gate doesn't have the proper pressure and doesn't open at the correct time. This causes the boost to 'spike' too high, which can cause damage. Many have suggested polishing the waste gate on the turbo, but as usual this is a maybe solution for a complex problem. Polishing may work occasionally, but the risks from polishing are very high. One negative side effect is you can't built boost at all. The correct solution is to install the correct exhaust system in the first place and avoid the whole situation. A properly designed bell mouth design and catted exhaust system provides proper back pressure and maximum performance. Why look for trouble, do it right to begin with!
    * UTECs - We have found that using the UTEC in low HP applications has worked well for Subies in the past, but discovered that as HP increases many of our UTEC guys have had many gremlins, which they were unable to tune out. By upgrading to the Dastek Piggyback Chip, these issues have all disappeared. They have found the Dastek operates better with the OEM ECU, uses all of the OEM sensors, plus includes 2 preset maps making it a no-brainer for installation and use: true plug n play. In addition the Dastek is designed for use with all turbo Subarus (WRX, STi, XT, Baja Turbo and Legacy GT), making it one of the most versatile chips available. So why fool around?
    * UTEC+TUNA users who run OLF, it has become apparent that the OLF software may not be properly compensating for the colder snaps we've been having in the northern mid-west. If you have the means of verifying AFR, you may want to hook the gear up and make sure you're on target with OLF mode. This never really reared it's head last winter/spring since cars were tuned in the cold, and the weather warmed up (making the cars run richer by the same theory). But cars done in hot weather would notice changes now that air is cooling off. In short... if you suspect problems, or have noticed more knock lately, edit, or have someone edit your maps in the mean time as a failsafe until this ironed out (11.23.2004).
    * STi guys, if your car is not idling smoothly, we have found it's the crank sensor screwing up. When changed the car idles great again. We can not guaranty it will be this simple all the time, but so far we are batting a 1000 on each car we checked, vs the dealer. Reset your ECU after the install.
    * STi guys, if your car is not cruising smoothly, feeling like there is resistance, we have found that cleaning the MAF sensor has helped, and many times it has also been the front O2 sensor beginning to go. What makes this hard is that there isn't a check engine light to support the bad O2. We have just found through trial and error that changing the O2 sensor has helped 9 out of 10 times. Reset your ECU after the install.
    * Dyno Tuning, it's an asset to the serious professional seeking to evaluate the performance benefits of their enhancements, without hitting the race track. But beware, it's a double edge sword! Remember, dyno testing is about repeatability and performance gains, not just PEAK OUTPUT!. There are differences between dyno equipment and technical ability of operators to be considered. A dyno is a 'tool' and in the hands of an expert, who has complete technical knowledge about your car and its mods, is a valuable asset for the serious power enthusiast. But it must be remembered, it is one tool available to the tuner, not the only tool. Many 'Professional' tuners actually tune the car on the road, rather than a Dyno, so they are tuning to actual road and track conditions. This method yields 'Real World' results. FYI: Proper Dyno tuning procedure should include a full diagnosis to the engine prior to final setup. The diagnosis should cover Electrical, Engine Management and Fuel System, and is a primary fundamental procedure which should be followed. You should insist on knowing what, if anything, is wrong with your car before the final setup and the runs begin. A Dyno tuner should able to make adjustments necessary for the mods you have, showing the before and after gains of each component, where possible. But in the hands of the uninformed, inexperienced and technically untrained, it could become a weapon of destruction. Running a car on a dyno, which is not in peak shape, could certainly accelerate a hidden problem and damage the car. Running the car on a dyno without the proper cool down between runs may damage important components in the car. Not knowing when your car is reaching its limits, could damage the car. Just to mention a few variables. It should be remembered, a Dyno checks power under ideal conditions, not actual road conditions with a 'real world' load on the engine. Most Dyno runs are in third gear, at full throttle, to redline. Basically this means only third gear is being tuned at full throttle, what about the other 4 gears, or partial throttle??? So, this type of single gear tuning leaves a lot to be considered, including real world conditions, load, hills, partial throttle, overall safety margins already in a manufacturer's map and more. If a car is leaned out too much, or timing retard excessively things happen. We have seen cats blow, uppipes fail, exhaust systems leak, turbos and pistons fry and a variety of other damage from trying to Dyno tune in search of 'ideal' maximum performance on a Dyno. For additional consideration, if the Dyno shop is tuning your chip and is not completely trained with the operation of the chip and the technical operation of your car, then this is a disaster waiting to happen. Any aggressive adjustment of boost, air/fuel or timing map could spell 'DISASTER' in capital letters. Tuning for real-world conditions is pretty much impossible on a Dyno. Remember dynos are 'tools', typically inside and the air flowing inside is never going to be as exact as when you're driving down the road. So if you must Dyno Tune, there has to be margins of safety built into the changes you are making. In many respects, using a G-TECHPro would provide you with a more real world view of the benefits of your car and any mods, without racing the xxxx out of your car. On a positive note: UTECs come with preprogrammed maps for each stage, tested by the manufacturer for each level of performance and built in margins of safety. Therefore, it is not necessary to have your car 'dyno tuned' to enjoy the benefits of the Stage Programs. Dyno FYI, issues to consider about Dynos. For those situations where tuning is required, we offer 'Real World Road Tuning', where we tune the car on the road!


    http://www.xcceleration.com/techstuff.htm
     
  4. plokivos

    plokivos Member

  5. miloman

    miloman Retired Admin

    thanks for all the information buddy :bigthumb:
     
  6. 1ll-WRX

    1ll-WRX Active Member

    wow lots of info :eek3: ..my brain hurts
     
  7. Weapon

    Weapon 90lbs of dynamite Supporting Member

    hehe..some of it seems like a joke
     
  8. GTscoob

    GTscoob Black is Beautiful

    Sounds good, but it seems like a lot of common sense stuff.

    One thing I disagreed with was the comment on nitrous. It is just as dangerous on any car and people have safely used 75 shots on WRXs just fine.
     
  9. jt money

    jt money 350hp mmm mmm Good! Supporting Member

    yep and whats that about the uppipe being the hardest mod to do. i know they can be difficult but steering rack bushings and few others pop into mind that i think are way worse of a pita. IMHO
     
  10. MarkM2016GTI

    MarkM2016GTI Supporting Member

    Great Info!!.


    Mark
     
  11. Alex

    Alex Community Founder Staff Member

    A lot of interesting, informative info. Thanks bud ;)
     
  12. oucatch21

    oucatch21 Member

    hey plokivos... where you at the four seasons this week...
     
  13. plokivos

    plokivos Member

    was I with 3 hot playboy chicks, drunk?
     

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