New EM option at BG (it's cheaper)

Okay guys and gals, we have decided to currently offer 3 reflash Engine Management (EM) solutions at Batlground Motorsports Engineering (BG). You probably know that I have previously only supported 2 EM options; Cobb Accessport and Ecutek Flash. We are still in discussion with Ecutek, but they are currently requiring us to buy 10 licenses UP FRONT in order to get working software. In the interim we added a third EM option; ecuEdit. Here’s a quick rundown of the pros and cons of each:

1) Cobb Accessport. This is my favorite.

Pros:
1) Real-time tuning (saves you $$$ on tuning)
2) Nice GUI (Graphical User Interface) with proper scaling
3) Sweet little Accessport with a color screen
4) Live data (lets you see CELs and important ECU information)
5) Performance tests (1/4 mile and 0-60)
6) Up to 30 full maps stored on port
7) You can easily drop maps with only a desktop computer
8) If you can get me data logs, I can e-mail map changes
9) Some of the best customer service in the industry (here in USA)
10) The only reliable Off The Shelf (OTS) maps out there
11) If you want to sell it, it easily “unmarries” from the car
12) The V2 AP’s are holding EXCELLENT resale value
13) For the Drive By Wire (DBW) cars, launch control and flat shifting.
14) We can tune it NOW.

Cons:
1) I don’t know if you can call it a con as I think it’s worth it, but it is the most expensive piece at $695. It’s also the only one that comes with Off-The-Shelf (OTS) maps and a real company with EXCELLENT customer service
2) AP Ver. 1’s are a little finicky between base and realtime maps.
3) GUI is harder to see


2) Ecutek. The original “professionally tunable software.”

Pros:
1) Simple – one map in your ecu.
2) Easy to see GUI. (saves you $$$ on tuning)
3) Real company behind it.
4) Delta Dash (the data logging software) is probably the best in the industry (YOU only get this if you get the Ecutek EZ-ECU).
5) EZ-ECU comes with Delta Dash and the ability for you to drop maps.
6) Licenses are $275 (until we sell 10, then they’re $350)
7) EZ-ECU is $550 with a license (until we sell 10, then they’ll be more)

Cons:
1) No hardware. If you don’t get EZ-ECU, you don’t get “anything.”
2) Without EZ-ECU (and a laptop) you can’t change maps
3) Only Ecutek tuners can tune your car
4) If you have a bugeye, your ECU gets totally locked by Ecutek
5) Main support is in England.
6) Even with EZ-ECU you must have a laptop to do anything.
7) All post ’05 ECU’s are non-exchangeable so your Ecutek license is “stuck” on that ECU and can’t be sold.
8) GUI doesn’t scale properly
9) *** IMPORTANT ONE *** We are “pre-selling” licenses until we get 10 sold, THEN we’ll be getting Ecutek


3) ecuEdit.The best of the “open-source” software

Pros:
1) No license cost to you.
2) Access to maps that Ecutek doesn’t have (more boost in the low gears)
3) Properly scaling GUI (saves you $$$ on tuning)
4) I can make you multiple maps that you can change between with a laptop and an $80 cable
5) If you can data log for me, I can e-mail map changes

Cons:
1) No hardware.
2) No easy support (They are in Russia)
3) Clear technology theft from Ecutek
4) Requires a laptop and $80 cable to change maps or view any data
5) If you are already Ecutek’d you will need to save your own file because ecuEdit will overwrite your license.
6) No way to overwrite Ecutek’d bugeye ECU’s.


I’m sure everybody remembers that I was not a fan of any of the open-source softwares due to their clear technology theft. I still stand on the ethical dilemmas of that, but Ecutek has a few of their own issues (locking of ECU’s etc) and after they changed the rules on us, requiring us to buy licenses up front, I feel that it all balances out in the end.

Call us to book some tuning,
Scott Siegel

 

you should fix your font. it is hard to read a light gray font on a white background

 

Cobb Pro #12 is also a Con.

 

fixed?

 

Thanks for the well structured breakdown of tuning options.

 

How much is EZ-ECU if you already paid for an Ecutek license? They're charging less for EZ-ECU + license than what many of us paid for just the license...

 

The EZ-ECU without a license is like $400 or so...

Siegel

 

Now you start tuning with ecuEdit after I get a beat down from the wife on why I must have a AP v1 for my car after being frustrated with the open source tools b/c there was not a professional that I could go and see.

Just pulling your leg. I am glad that there are more options.

I am happy with my AP v1 though. My car likes it also. I do want to get a tune from you some day. (must let wife cool off before springing on that I need another several hundred for a custom tune.) What is the cost of a tune running?

 

ECUedit FTW!!!

 

Scott my ECU is locked.....I've tried to read my file and I can't so the 04 is locked down tight. My buddy Brian has the older Ecutek (read me and him both got Ecuteked by Doug at the same time) and I can read his ECU just fine. Mine is locked down so you must have had a newer software or version.

Con of Ecutek......
If you get EZ-ECU and you lose your cable you have to buy another EZ-ECU at the full price. The cable has the license built into it which is STUPID and it doesn't cost that much to build it. Also their customer service can be a royal PITA.



I'm going Hydra all the way!

 

I can "force" a non-Ecutek'd map onto a non-bugeye ecu and then tune it with ecuEdit.

Siegel

 

Ecutek is so gay. Why lock the ecu to begin with....it's my ecu, I should be able to do what I want with it.

 

it WAS yours :0
not anymore

everyone has diff opinion on this but i stay unbiased

 

you never had me...you never had your ecu!

ok, weksos attemp of F&F joke