Can you guys tell me more about the FP Green and Red Turbos please. Most of what i know about them are on sakari motorsports website. Are these just bolt on turbos or do i need to get a new downpipe and manifold because i just bought my downpipe and not ready to get rid of it. Is the green one better or is the red one better? And can i tune this with teh cobb ap v.1 and what kinda power does these max out at. Thanks a lot ahead of time guys.:wiggle:
the green is smaller than the red.. hence the red will make more power but the green will spool faster... these are both stock mount turbos... however, if you go with the 3 inch inlet, i believe u will have to delete the TGV sensors (dont quote me on this) the power levels will vary depending on the supporting mods... but on 93 octane, i have seen both turbos make around 400whp... with methanol, i have seen the green make upto 475whp and the red make 508whp
They are both stock mount turbos, so you're dp/mani are fine. You'll have to do tgv delete's if you get the 3" inlet. I hear that they (FP) are now making these turbo's with an available 8cm housing which is good.
does anyone know what the red will max power is? reason i ask is because they are both the same price.
like Milo said, somewhere in the upper 400's maybe even low 500's. Also dependent on whether or not you run Meth Inj.
if you are never intending to run any sort of injection or race gas, then the power benefits of the red will not be too big over the green... however, the red will be noticably laggier if u go with injection or race gas, the red will significantly outpower the green
Oh yeah don't get the Red unless you are getting a C16/racegas tune or meth injection. You have to be able to push boost and run more timing on the Red to outpower the green. On just 93 octane I don't suggest the Red at all as it is very laggy. The green is more practical and useful but like I said above if you are gonna go meth inj. then get the Red as it'll 'PLANT' in your seat.
Ok maybe a stupid newbie meth question, but does meth allow you to up the boost sooner in the rpm range? I would think the turbo would spool at whatever rate it is going to spool regardless of if you are nunning meth or not right? So wouldn't the red be laggier (is that a word?) than the green regardless of running meth or race gas?
the red will always be laggier than the green for the same supporting mods... however, in my experience, adding meth improved spool noticably... im guessing its due to added timing at the lower RPMs
Spool increased for me due to more aggressive timing. I went from full 20 psi boost at 4000 rpm to 22 psi at 3600 rpm :ddirty:
Ahhh gotcha. Makes a bit more sense now. One more dumb newbie question...what does the 8 cm housing do? And just a word of caution about the FP turbos, I saw some pictures recently of the FP turbos with coolant lines being a little smooshed. If SS is following this he could probably elaborate more. I spoke to him about it some.
Cobb and some other big name shops use FP turbos on their time attack cars so i don't see why these turbos would be bad in anyway, but if SS has some info on them i would love to hear it.
Quick search on NASIOC showed people having issues with the coolant lines contacting the engine block....rattle and rubbing...not good stuff. FP said they were redesigning their coolant lines. This may just be an issue with the 06 cars, not sure.
the 8 cm housing will allow you to make more power than the 7 cm housing while sacrificing spool i have never installed FP turbos but have heard plenty of horror stories when it comes to installing them... in general, they dont fit as well as the deadbolt turbos
FP red is similar to a GT35r, I think both have a 65lb/min compressor which is quite large (a regular sized TD06-20g has a 44.5lb/min compressor wheel from deadbolt). However the gt35r turbine is much bigger than the FP red turbine which is a TD06H turbine (same as superziller 49, 55 and all other variations of TD06-20g including FP Green). Personally I do not like the FP red because of some fundmental problems such as its lagginess and respooling characteristics and the small turbine mated with a huge compressor is not a good combo. The 65lb/min compressor wheel is a journal bearing, and its sheer size enhances its inablity to spool in between shifts, bascilly it will fall flat on its face when you shift. Also since FP Red is a stock mount, the intake mainfiold chokes and heats the air that goes into the large compressor, so that is another reason why i would never buy a FP red. My advice is to stay under 55lb/min sized compressor for stock mount location, any bigger would be useless and not ideal. So buy something no bigger than a SuperZilla 55 from Deadbolt since everything fits, no coolant line problems. hope this helps P.S. if you are not going with external wastegate, your Helix downpipe will be fine.
correct, TD06 is actually clipped in the superzilla, so I do recommend on the fatboy wheel. 3" compressor inlet will enhance spool slightly over the 2.4" but you *might* have to do the TGV delete.
Please tell more more about this superzilla turbo. It does have stock mounts right? What other turbos are good for our cars and have stick mount? Thanks
I read that the helix v3 dp i can run EWG EDIT* I just did some more reading and found out that the v3 catted one does not some with a provision for the EWG
I'd recommend that you call Jerry @ Deadbolt and talk to him directly, or hit his site boostplanet.com. He's a great guy and I'm sure will be more than glad to help you with all the Superzilla/FatBoy jargon. As far as other stock mount turbo's there are FP, Blouche, Deadbolt, SlowBoy, etc....
i believe the turbo touches one of the sensors http://www.boostplanet.com/product7.htm i have ordered the superzilla 65... hopefully it should come in sometime next week
Milo can you let me know how that turbo goes. I was looking at the 20g but can't decide how much power i want. Geez a SZ65 how much power are you looking for?
If you're looking for a 20G remember that Mike (liquidforce) is selling his deadbolt 20g for cheap. You can go into the for sell sub-forum and find his thread there.
close to 400whp on pump and close to 500whp on meth... it won't be going in until sometime january at the earliest but i will keep posting updates in my journal there aren't too many people running the SZ65 purely because of the cost... however, for various reasons, this turbo seemed to be the best choice for me... so we'll see if it delivers
On the site they said the td06 20g can support up to 400+ hp but i don't know if thats true just on pump gas. Im want something that will be safe on the motor and hold 400 hp until i can slowly build the motor. Waha re you guys thought on the SR49 or the SR55?
actually it will only flow 60lb/min I would stay away from APS turbos since they seems produce less pwoer than their counterparts. I would go with a sz49 or sz55 with fartoy wheels for stock mount with methanol and GT30R .82a/r for rotated for safe and relatively quick power deliviery.
here's jerry's PM to me on NASIOC when i was inquiring about the SZ65 if you have some info that counters this, please PM me
im thinking the SR55 might be a better chose for me then a 20g. wonder what the lagg on that 55 is like.
actually, SS has tuned a bunch of APS turbos before and he said they underperform... plus they are pretty expensive
in other words get a Deadbolt SuperZilla 55 with 3" inlet and 44mm EWG with fatboy wheel.... wait, that's what I wanted:naughty: