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horseshit...

 

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heard about this, was planning on watching the race but was too late, but sounds like i didnt miss much.

 

when there's only 6 cars running, theres not much to miss

 

I don’t understand FIA’s inflexibility on this. I am guessing by throwing up a chicane or allowing new tires they may have felt it would be giving in to a tire competitor (Michelin) that simply wasn’t prepared? I think the stakes were too high to be so inflexible however. They hoped that the teams running Michelin were bluffing about not running. They weren't. I don’t feel the engine builders are bluffing about starting their own series either.
I’ve gone from someone that a few years ago would get up at 6:30 a.m. to watch F1 to someone that no longer bothers to read up on who won.

 

i was real upset with how the crowd reacted... u can't get any lower than the morons who were throwing shit onto the track...if anything, direct ur boos to michelin... considering their tires are 'f1 inspired', i cant believe they didn't have a set for banked corners...

 

i think john, Married04wrx was there, maybe he will pipe in.

 

my cousins were there too... we called them up last night... they said hey had no idea why most of the cars pulled in... the commentators did a good job explaining stuff on tv but the spectators were unaware of what happened

 

David Coulthard said that he wanted to go but the Team Manager got the no go from Michelin.

They also did an in-car view from Alonso and you can hear the team radio "We will go through the start as planned, come straight into the pit mate."

I did a video capture of the race and I will post the link to view the start where all the other cars back off.

 

Adding a chicane at the last minute would be unfair. Bridgestone tires had no problems so its right for them to argue.

From the interviews, Bridgestone is taking the blame for their teams losing this year. On speed, they said that the indy track had between resurfaced with a diamond cutter and the cars in the Indy 500 had the same problem that Michelin had. All the cars were running Firestone and they contacted Bridgestone and they told them about the situation on the banked turns. So Bridgestone had the upper hand on this situation.

Either way, it is not the first time that they are racing in the Indy track, its the 5th year so its not like Michelin is not prepared for hazardous conditions.

I guess they should have chopped up Bib and pasted him on the Michelin tires.

 

Michelin teams summoned by FIA

The FIA has ordered the seven Michelin teams to appear at a hearing of its World Motor Sport Council on Wednesday following their controversial withdrawal from the United States Grand Prix.
The dummy grid. Formula One World Championship, Rd 9, United States Grand Prix, Race, Indianapolis, USA, 19 June 2005The summons follows a statement issued by Formula One racing’s governing body earlier on Monday, in which it outlines its position on Michelin's decision to pull out of the race. The statement reads:

"Formula One is a sporting contest. It must operate to clear rules. These cannot be negotiated each time a competitor brings the wrong equipment to a race.

"At Indianapolis we were told by Michelin that their tyres would be unsafe unless their cars were slowed in the main corner. We understood and among other suggestions offered to help them by monitoring speeds and penalising any excess. However, the Michelin teams refused to agree unless the Bridgestone runners were slowed by the same amount. They suggested a chicane.

"The Michelin teams seemed unable to understand that this would have been grossly unfair as well as contrary to the rules. The Bridgestone teams had suitable tyres. They did not need to slow down. The Michelin teams’ lack of speed through turn 13 would have been a direct result of inferior equipment, as often happens in Formula One. It must also be remembered that the FIA wrote to all of the teams and both tyre manufacturers on June 1, 2005, to emphasise that "tyres should be built to be reliable under all circumstances".

"A chicane would have forced all cars, including those with tyres optimised for high-speed, to run on a circuit whose characteristics had changed fundamentally – from ultra-high speed (because of turn 13) to very slow and twisting. It would also have involved changing the circuit without following any of the modern safety procedures, possibly with implications for the cars and their brakes. It is not difficult to imagine the reaction of an American court had there been an accident (whatever its cause) with the FIA having to admit it had failed to follow its own rules and safety procedures.

"The reason for this debacle is clear. Each team is allowed to bring two types of tyre: one an on-the-limit potential race winner, the other a back-up which, although slower, is absolutely reliable. Apparently, none of the Michelin teams brought a back-up to Indianapolis. They subsequently announced they were flying in new tyres from France but then claimed that these too were unsafe.

"What about the American fans? What about Formula One fans world-wide? Rather than boycott the race the Michelin teams should have agreed to run at reduced speed in turn 13. The rules would have been kept, they would have earned Championship points and the fans would have had a race. As it is, by refusing to run unless the FIA broke the rules and handicapped the Bridgestone runners, they have damaged themselves and the sport.

"It should also be made clear that Formula One Management and Indianapolis Motor Speedway, as commercial entities, can have no role in the enforcement of the rules."

<http://www.formula1.com/news/3209.html>

 

i said it before and i'll say it again

 

I agree with most said. It comes down to ‘customer service’ or ‘my marbles my rules’ to me mostly however.. It’s fine that it went off as it did.. Except for one thing. I just feel it’s not right if they are trying to build a fan base here. Big picture. There are many other race options for the viewing public. What is F1’s big picture for being here?
It could have been run as a non-points race for one. When they got back home to their ivory towers they could have fined Michelin a million or so per car that they would have happily paid to avoid the embarrassment and then passed it out to the teams that ran Bridgestone tires. There were other options available is all. That is just one. As far as Bridgestone. How do we know that they didn’t have similar problems but just wouldn’t admit it? They own Firestone. Enough said there I think..
The FIA had a certain ‘no win’ by playing by the rules. I feel they got it. Sure they proved their point. Was it worth it in the big picture?
I guess I’m odd. I do not see this as black and white. There is a hell of a lot of gray out there in the real world. Those that know me here will understand where I’m coming from. I deal with it daily. New York City rules.. Georgia reality..
If you become too inflexible you will lose in the long run even if you are right. Anyone care for a nice game of Thermo-nuclear war?

 

i agree with the FIA ruling... they said that michelin should still run... just go slow on the banked corner... agreed they wouldve lost but thats their own fault... u cant change the rules just to acommodate someone who wasn't prepared, the same as u can't penalize a team for coming prepared

 

I would agree if it was an once a month SCCA thing. The stakes are simply too high here. You are dealing with folks that flock to see a non-points paying NASCAR event. They expect to see something..
If you took a week off from work like someone I know to go you would lknow what I mean. "hell I know it didn't count but the sounds were awesome!" or "wtf?"

 

like i said earlier, the michelin cars shouldve still run.... just slower around the banked corner... i think its completely unfair to make it a non-points event just because some teams were not prepared

 

ALL the teams and manufacturers were aware of the resurfaceing and the grinding of the surface. The fact that Michelin did not do better homework is amazing considering the amount of money they spend each year.

It appears to me that the amount of side loading on the tire was causing the sidwall to separate from the tread. This was becasue of low presures and increased grip from the surface. Yes Bridgestone knew before hand and it was no secret that Firestone and Goodyear had issues.

 

Adding a chicane would require all the cars to be re-tuned. Some of my friends said they should have done that, my response to that was "and I suppose they have 2 days worth of practice just for hell of it?"

Bridgestone has taken full blame this season for their cars not doing to well this year, now if they added the chicane, dont u think Bridgestone guys should have been guarenteed places on the podium every race? That would even out the situation. Mind you, that Michelin cars were still capable of racing at full speeds except turn 13 at which they would need to slow down, but still capable of racing. They should have done their homework.

Also the fans should realize that this is an event, not a show or a concert. I think Rubens poped a bottle of Dasani which luckily did not cause a problem.

 

I want to add this...I still love F1. I hope the 2008 regulations flop though. If the 2008 regulations go into effect then my love will be lost. I hope the teams(including the top 5 in the series...yes Ferrari too) form their own series as they have been threatening to do. This event does show that the teams do have the balls to defy the FIA.

 

Alonso is being called in.


A bunch of cars in the pits


Gotta support our first Indian in the F1 circuit


The start


A beautiful chase shot


Go Schumy!!


There are speculations on FIA and Ferrari site that the US GP circuit might be removed because of this outcome. One of the other suckiest things was that the presenters did not show up to event. So some other dude pretty much did everything from running around to handling the tropies. I think that was really LOW!!

 

all teams develop a completely diff. tire for each track. The problem is mich. tires have been on the edge all season and this time they went to far. They are soposed to have two types of tires at evry race, The race ready ones and a set of "safe tires". They only had one. The thing that really pissed me off was the fact that they flew in new tires the day of the race but FIA would not let them use them. I spent alot of money to watch 3 days off F1 practicing because 6 cars is far from a race. With the three teams running ther was no suprise as to what the finishing order was going to be.

What FIA should have done is let them chang tires but give them a penilty for it. I say the should have started all the mich. Drivers from pit road and the bridgstone guys from the grid, that would have been plenty of penalty for changing the tires.


PS I do not blam the drivers, they have to look after their safty before anything elso
I personaly blam Mr. george and the FIA

 

If anyone has to be blamed, its Michelin. Its good that FIA is not flexible and did not allow them to break the rules otherwise rules will be changing all the time. I believe the second set of tires needs to be present before or during the qualifiers, thats why Charlie White did not allow them to fly in new tires. And yes, Michelin did get over confident and not keep a second set. We have to love the commercial "F-1 inspired tires."

 

my brother went to watch the race he goes every year. i will go next year if they resign i think this is the last year of their contract to race in the united states but im sure they will resign they make too much money here not to. he said this was the craziest year hes ever been fights were breaking out left and right in the stands and people were throwing beers bottles out onto the track and everything.