Forged 07 STI debate

Well if the car is ready on Saturday then bring it to the strip Sunday.

Hope to see you there

What Turbo did you go with?

 

My vote: Garret GT99i ( "i" for "innovation" )

 

In all honesty....that really wasn't a 'problem'. How did it it turn out on that GT35R even though you maxed it out?

 

I think it was 510 on the Forged Dyno. Pretty good for an STI there.

The new Turbo is bigger than we all expected, and requires a new uppipe/downpipe/and a bunch of fittings. Thank god for the good folks at Forged to take care of unforeseen problems and getting parts overnight. I am being cryptic, but the folks at the shop (Decker) are putting together a "build thread" on the car. Suspension was ordered today for install next month some time. I'll defer to Scott and Decker to release the specs, parts, and graphs when they have it all set-up. I'm just an owner /driver.

 

Thanks.


Question.....how do you know that the turbo maxed out and not flow of the heads etc?????

I've seen many many GT35Rs push much higher.

And fyi not trash talking and asking a simple legit question here. The sarcasim font is 'NOT' activated.

 

Only Scott would know. But the heads were ported when the car was at TopSpeed while Scott, Jason, Decker, and Doug W were all there. I think Scott and Doug know what they are doing.

Dark Orchid is the official color of internet sarcasm. I can't figure out the stupid sarcasm mark.

 

What else was done to the heads? Cams? Bigger Valves, ??

Just curious because I have also seen much higher numbers from GT35r turbos.

 

Was there ever a dyno post of the 510 or did I just miss it somewhere in the deleted threads?

 

I think all the retarded monkeys humped it until it was killed to death.

 

The heads were done here, so....yes, yes and then some.....

 

Car is in the shop. Maybe Decker can post a pic of the new turbo? Or the trunk?

 

Looks like a soda machine....lol. Very clean. Would love to see what the inside of the swirl pot looks like.

How loud are the pumps from the inside of the car?

 

Here are a few of the oil cooler:

 

Very nice!

 

Looks cool but did you want it to take up the entire trunk when it could have all been tucked away nicely

 

How else would they 'show' off their 'innovation'?

 

Process west makes one that you could easily adapt to put on a 2nd pump.

 

Thanks for the comments!

Maybe the pics don't show it, but there's a good bit of room. I could probably fit in there comfortably.

 

I'm sure theres lots of room it just looks like a giant waste of space

 

So you are the size of a Monkey! LOL

Seriously though, for me this setup would not work becuase you do loose a good portion of the trunk. Regardless if a little monkey can fit in there or not. Do the rear seats fold down in a STi? If so, there went the use of that. The only reason why I didnt get a Speed6 over my legacy was because the back seats didnt fold down. I need all the cockpit space I can get.

 

But just because you need doesn't mean the owner of this car does.

 

I beg to differ. It's functional, retains plenty usable space, and looks great!

 

:rofl: Thanks!

 

yea doesn't look like it takes up too much space. it seems to only take up the same amount of space a sub and amp does.

damn this car is controversial

 

And it's what the customer requested, rather than hiding it away. I can tell you that it's a really bad idea to mount surge tanks and pumps along the underbody if you plan on tracking your car. I've seen many setups ripped apart on road courses, and one caused a major fire, and since Lobel plans to do some HPDE and Time Attack work, deep inside the trunk is most suitable.

 

First I didn't say what I said to start another debate.

Is it Functional...yes but it would still be better with one pump...two pumps is fucking stupid.

Retains plenty of usable space...sure it does but 90 percent of that stuff could have been put outside the car....like the pumps I would much rather have those and as much of the fuel as I could outside of my car.

It looks great ....like a really nice aluminum box with braided stainless lines

 

Well then there you go...If he is happy with it and was one that requested it, then that is all that matters.

It does look beautiful!

 

So you think its better to mount the fuel tank inside the car without a proper firewall....you can't possibly be that stupid.

I'm not even sure that setup will pass tech inspection for a track day

 

wow....quoted for who knows why?

 

I mean for Fucks sake...no one is that dumb.

Its one thing to have the tank in the car but to have the pumps in the car is just dumb

 

I am pretty sure that it wouldnt pass tech if the tech inspector knows what hes looking at.

The fire would go right thru the seat really fucking fast.


Its a nice setup and displayed really well, but it is REALLY STUPID to have that there w/out a fire containment system. It should be outside the car, under hood or build a fireproof box in the trunk for it. Period.

 

depends on who's running the track day

 

I can promise that the car will pass at all the Casted Failure track days.

It will likely fail anywhere else if they have half a brain.

 

I'm sorry but what's the purpose of a firewall?

 

Help contain a fire?

 

Yeah, I think it supposed to like...keep fire in the engine bay...and sounds...and thingies like that.


OH!! Also, and most importantly, to keep the retarded monkeys in there too.

 

Looks cool... but for some reason it reminds me what would happen if a stereo installer started building fuel systems.

While I am sure it works as designed I would have to agree I wouldn't want any fuel tank that doesn't have an SFI or FIA rating mounted inside my race car... but two each their own.

 

Good Input!

 

getting away from all of the condescending nature of things, what will tech inspect say? are you guys going to put some type of plate behind the back seat and rear deck or something? I'm curious to know what the next step will be.

I think the setup looks pretty sweet, but I love the AN and braided stainless look.

 

Probably something along the lines of the lack of fire suppression and/or containment in the area. Also depending on the organization, a lack of SFI and/or FIA rating like Doug mentioned.

If all the interior trim was removed, rear seat removed and some sort of fire resistant material install in place of the seat and sealed well to the seat opening, as well as some sort of fire suppression system, I would say it would be "ok".


Personally, I would do a 15~20lb halon bottle, remove all trim/seats/wiring(relocate)/etc etc and seal off all the openings from the trunk to the drivers compartment with some good sheet metal that's a tad thicker than the sheet metal that's already back there.

As are we.

I will not lie. It looks pretty bad ass...on a show car.

 

i normally stay away from these type arguments..

that setup is pretty..

but it would make me pretty nervous, driving around town, driving on a track. something about having fuel systems in the same compartment with me gives me the chills. i mean, you get rear ended, or hit on the side or slam against a tree and roll and some part of the setup cracks, comes loose and starts leaking fuel into the cabin and your sorta strapped in upside down.. (and this has happened to me more than once sans leaking fuel system) your gonna need a new pair of underwear if your lucky and conscious or a closed coffin funeral if not so lucky.

even if i could get a fire suppression system done by pros, i'd still want that fuel components walled off from the cabin entirely.. not exposed on the bottom either like i saw in some other picture...

 

Eh, on the bottom is pretty much like 99% of the factory gas tanks...there really is not much between them and the road. Maybe a light sheet metal cover if you are lucky. I would not worry too much about that.

I have to agree, it is decent looking even if not to my tastes. How much does that "sump" hold?

 

AMAZING! Apparently EVERYBODY is doing it wrong:





































Wow, there sure are a lot of race cars out there that won't pass tech

Siegel

 

^ Wow ... imagine that.

 

Just because a ton of time attackers do that doesn't mean its right way of doing things...

Now if you posted a bunch of pics from real racecars... IE: Grand Am Rolex, ALMS, Nascar, World Challenge, etc... I might have changed my mind.

Really not sure why we are even debating this... I am sure its what the customer wanted. Its pretty, and works.


Edit: Atleast 6 of the pictures you show the guys had the common sense to build a firewall.

 

Brazil and other countries might have other rules. In the end it all depends on the tech guy for that particular day. Not saying it will or won't work, but here is what I have found:

NHRA rules:

Tanks: When permitted by class regulations, fuel tanks located
outside body and/or frame must be enclosed in a steel tube frame
constructed of minimum 1 1/4-inch O.D. x .065-inch chrome moly
or .118-inch mild-steel tubing. All fuel tanks must be isolated from
the driver’s compartment by a firewall, completely sealed to
prevent any fuel from entering the driver’s compartment. All fuel
tanks must have a pressure cap and be vented outside of car
body. A positive-locking screw-on fuel-tank cap is mandatory on all
cars. Insulated fuel tanks prohibited. When used, fuel cells must
have a metal box protecting the part of the fuel cell that is outside
of body lines or trunk floor, excluding hose-connection area in rear.
Non-metallic fuel cells or tanks must be grounded to frame.

Lines: All non-OEM fuel lines (including gauge and/or datarecorder
lines) must be metallic, steel-braided or NHRA-accepted
“woven or woven-pushlock.” A maximum of 12 inches total (front to
rear) of non-metallic or non-steel-braided hose is permitted for
connection purposes only; individual injector-nozzle fuel lines are
excluded. Fuel lines (except steel-braided lines) in the
flywheel/bellhousing area must be enclosed in a 16-inch length of
steel tubing, 1/8-inch-minimum wall thickness, securely mounted
as a protection against fuel-line rupture. Fuel lines may not be
routed in the driveshaft tunnel. NHRA-accepted woven or wovenpushlock
fuel lines: Aeroquip FC300, FC332; Aeroquip Star Lite
200; AQP Socketless; Dayco Imperial Nylo-seal tubing; Earl’s
Prolite; Fragola Performance System Series 8000 Push-Lite Race
Hose; Gates LOL Plus; Goodridge 526; Goodridge 710; Russell
Twist-Loc 836 and XRP HS-79. Contact NHRA for updates.


Pumps/Valves: Cars with non-OEM-type mechanical fuel pumps
must have a quick-action fuel-shutoff valve within easy reach of
driver and be located in the main fuel line between the fuel tank
and the carburetor and/or injectors. Fuel-recirculation systems not
part of normal fuel/pump system prohibited

 

This. I don't want to pick sides in this, I just want to know what's going to happen if by chance shit hits the fan and something does go wrong.

 

Since everyone else is jumping off the bridge, why dont you do it as well?

Apparently it has to be *THE THING* to do.

Cya.